tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post1820350982782054965..comments2024-03-23T23:52:14.690+05:30Comments on DefenceNet: Defence News from Sri Lanka: LRRP strike kills LTTE heavy weapons expertDefenceNethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11553575476849786179noreply@blogger.comBlogger219125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-52245731615196472672007-11-30T16:28:00.000+05:302007-11-30T16:28:00.000+05:30Can Some one describe what our snipers doing in th...Can Some one describe what our snipers doing in the fieldSniperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245909184713405314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-5588064796271339292007-11-21T14:00:00.000+05:302007-11-21T14:00:00.000+05:30GE, it might seem that if you drop 15-20 tons of b...GE, it might seem that if you drop 15-20 tons of bombs in daylight at the EXACT moment that a bunch of Tigers are loafing around in the open outside their FDLs, SOME of those bombs MIGHT possibly hit the target some of 'em. Funnily, hitting a target at best a few hundred metres square from 25,000 ft with home-made bomb sights isn't very easy.<BR/><BR/>Forgive me if I'm skeptical, but I think a conventional fighter-bomber strike will be far more cost-effective.<BR/><BR/>And expensive MBRLs that actually do he job is better than a cheap cargo plane that can't.David Blackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17294360142245036352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-34455116317272723112007-11-21T13:17:00.000+05:302007-11-21T13:17:00.000+05:30Ok, I am done talking. Moving on....Ok, I am done talking. Moving on....GoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-82482262908341058442007-11-21T12:58:00.000+05:302007-11-21T12:58:00.000+05:30Well David, this discussion started between me and...Well David, this discussion started between me and noltte=peace about how to deliver a larger amount of firepower to the enemy FDLs at a lower price than the MBRLs we currently have.<BR/><BR/>A single 122mm MBRL rockets costs about $1000. The price includes the rocket motor, fuel, warhead and other components inside the rocket. The warhead of a 122mm rocket is usally about 18kg. So we are pretty much paying $1000 to deliver a 18kg warhead to the enemy and that too is not as accurate as missile firepower(higher price). <BR/><BR/>Technically speaking, a modified Y-8 could unleash 15-20 tons of dumb bombs on the FDLs when a lot of enemy activity is taking place there, in this case accuracy is not the main objective, but the volume of firepower is.GoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-495791944449369512007-11-21T11:34:00.000+05:302007-11-21T11:34:00.000+05:30Can we move on now?Can we move on now?David Blackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17294360142245036352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-2733013538097754612007-11-21T11:33:00.000+05:302007-11-21T11:33:00.000+05:30I think it's pretty clear that (1) heavy bombing i...I think it's pretty clear that (1) heavy bombing isn't effective or practical in SL and (2) even if it was, a modded Y-8 isn't a sensible heavy bomber.David Blackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17294360142245036352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-6925279976102178782007-11-21T11:31:00.000+05:302007-11-21T11:31:00.000+05:30No, GE, a flight of MiGs (four aircraft). But as I...No, GE, a flight of MiGs (four aircraft). But as I already said, even a single MiG-27 will get more ordnance ON TARGET than a Y-8 bombing blind.David Blackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17294360142245036352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-47304894531544874402007-11-20T23:26:00.000+05:302007-11-20T23:26:00.000+05:30DavidFlight of Mig-27s? Did you mean to say fleet ...David<BR/><BR/>Flight of Mig-27s? Did you mean to say fleet of Mig-27s?<BR/><BR/>In that case yeah, a fleet of Mig-27s will be able to unleash an equal or greater payload of bombs than a single modified Y-8. Now, if you were to compare the payloads of a fleet of Mig-27s with a fleet of Y-8s, then no.GoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-76971544198381198412007-11-20T18:44:00.000+05:302007-11-20T18:44:00.000+05:30Shey,Cant we make our owne mine clearence system w...Shey,<BR/><BR/>Cant we make our owne mine clearence system with a simple rocket (with a range of about 100m) towing a 100m lenght of double twisted det cord! i mean that would clean at least a 1m wide strech up to 100m right?<BR/><BR/>It sound very easy(may be its not)...i dont know why our E&M engi guys dont make them.<BR/><BR/>or thermobaric cluster bomblets over a minefeild would detonate most of them...i thinkUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777902112139093143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-1441176731505141872007-11-20T13:55:00.000+05:302007-11-20T13:55:00.000+05:30Thanks shay.I read your comments about the JVP on ...Thanks shay.<BR/>I read your comments about the JVP on the other thread.One of the main reasons for their popularity was that no development was carried out at village level as now and the average persons needs were completely ignored.In the past the fat idiots in parliament were only interested in foreign travel,educating their children abroad and holding onto power at any cost.EX..start from junius richard ..Then you have the chandrikas and ranils..how old are they.. in their late 60's 70's?..these fellows still want power ?...how much more insane can you be?Srilankanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669706047196092243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-16381606806541837972007-11-20T13:15:00.000+05:302007-11-20T13:15:00.000+05:30Hi srilankan,I'm sure we would at least have some ...Hi srilankan,<BR/><BR/>I'm sure we would at least have some Bangalore torpedoes, which can also be used to breach mines and other obstancles to a certain extent. However, this is not as effective as a proper mine breaching system. Its more suitable for clearing a heavily mined perimeter rather than a large mine field. <BR/><BR/>They should also be able to easily fix a few mechanical flails onto MBT's.shayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07685475525570634903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-50523352230735410512007-11-20T13:00:00.000+05:302007-11-20T13:00:00.000+05:30Thanks shay..Do our troops have any kind of mine c...Thanks shay..<BR/>Do our troops have any kind of mine clearing equipment..?Srilankanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669706047196092243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-6842325243776010212007-11-20T12:06:00.000+05:302007-11-20T12:06:00.000+05:30GE, I said a FLIGHT of MiG-27s, not a single aircr...GE, I said a FLIGHT of MiG-27s, not a single aircraft. But even if you compared single aircraft, I think a MiG that can deliver 75% of its ordnance onto a target is far better than a Y-8 that will deliver at best 25% of its load (if it is to survive).David Blackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17294360142245036352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-30269641053709181332007-11-20T10:42:00.000+05:302007-11-20T10:42:00.000+05:30David The only advantage a modified Y-8 can have o...David <BR/><BR/>The only advantage a modified Y-8 can have over Mig-27 is the larger payload.GoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-19359479628893586512007-11-20T10:35:00.000+05:302007-11-20T10:35:00.000+05:30"Can a MIG27 do level bombing?"Both the Mig's and ..."Can a MIG27 do level bombing?"<BR/><BR/>Both the Mig's and Kfir's have weapons delivery systems which allow them to do level bombing, dive bombing and various other such methods. <BR/><BR/>When attacking FDL's, the most accurate method would be to dive and use rockets for straffing the FDL. <BR/><BR/>"How can you trigger a mine without actually stepping on it..?"<BR/><BR/>There are several types of mine breaching systems on the market. Some are as simple as an explosive coil of cable fired out of an infantry rifle. The cable is then detonated, which clears a path on each side. Mechanical devices can also be fitted to tanks and IFV's. Certain types of MBRL fire can also trigger mines.shayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07685475525570634903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-85414873081232280322007-11-20T09:25:00.000+05:302007-11-20T09:25:00.000+05:30"Can a MIG27 do level bombing?"I'm not sure whethe..."Can a MIG27 do level bombing?"<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure whether the MiG-27 releases in a level flight or a shallow dive, but fighter bombers like the F-4 were 'rippling' off 250-lb iron bombs back in the '60s, so I'd assume a modern fighter bomber could too.David Blackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17294360142245036352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-18276618501518115702007-11-20T05:15:00.000+05:302007-11-20T05:15:00.000+05:30How can you trigger a mine without actually steppi...How can you trigger a mine without actually stepping on it..?Srilankanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669706047196092243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-37765879632254746952007-11-20T03:37:00.000+05:302007-11-20T03:37:00.000+05:30Since, now we are targeting high ranking tigers, I...Since, now we are targeting high ranking tigers, I think SLA takes a page from Angola. There was no peace due to Jonas Savmbi,UINTA chief. So Angolan troops killed him and things looks better ! Same goes to VP, we get him then hopefully GOSL can turn a new course! Whatcha think ? <BR/><BR/>By the way why cant we get some DC-3's for gunship work to be used at night ! Thai's 2 of PUff the Magic Dragon's with new engines ! hmmm !Rajaratasurferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15877701773284721637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-69185742817472445652007-11-20T01:40:00.000+05:302007-11-20T01:40:00.000+05:30Power of Night Op capabilities..http://www.youtube...Power of Night Op capabilities..<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUCnDcrMjSY<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_5n3HlbJ70&feature=related<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_5n3HlbJ70&feature=related<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=Vgiw1Ke2Egk<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfzLApHytAY&feature=relatedNOLTTE=Peacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04767248674450054730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-54007571912651686302007-11-20T01:07:00.000+05:302007-11-20T01:07:00.000+05:30Can a MIG27 do level bombing?I am not taking about...Can a MIG27 do level bombing?<BR/><BR/>I am not taking about dropping one bomb at a time. This is about opening a bomb-bay and unloading large number of smaller bombs on a trench-line or a make-shift camp in a jungle.NOLTTE=Peacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04767248674450054730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-73598037386900881052007-11-19T23:38:00.000+05:302007-11-19T23:38:00.000+05:30"We were strictly talking about bombing LTTE FDL a..."We were strictly talking about bombing LTTE FDL areas."<BR/><BR/>What advantage would a modded Y-8 have over a flight of MiG-27s? It cannot bomb as accurately, and it will be far more vulnerable to AAA.<BR/><BR/>The heavy bomber concept is a strategic weapon, invented for use between nation states in conventional war and upgraded for nuclear warfare. It has no place in the unconventional assymetrical warfare arena that we are engaged in. So having a proper factory-spec heavy bomber would still be of very limited use; a home-made one will be even less useful.David Blackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17294360142245036352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-32751982930914496422007-11-19T22:45:00.000+05:302007-11-19T22:45:00.000+05:30My bad, it was not a C-130 that the SLAF once tri...My bad, it was not a C-130 that the SLAF once tried to modify but a An-32 Antonov, an AN/AAS-35(V) pave penny laser tracker (same kind usually used by F-16s) was installed on the AN-32. Additional locally made steel pylons were added to the wings to the carry LGBs. I am 100% not sure if heavy caliber machine guns were attached to the aircraft, my sources gae conflicting reports on that.<BR/><BR/>The Kfir thread in LNP also mentions this An-32 modificationGoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-72188719155333738762007-11-19T22:44:00.000+05:302007-11-19T22:44:00.000+05:30DavidWe were strictly talking about bombing LTTE F...David<BR/><BR/>We were strictly talking about bombing LTTE FDL areas. Sometimes the FDLs can become wide and add to that several kilometers of no-mans land in between the FDLs. As far as I know, there are no civilian settlements close by. This could be a good target for a modified Y-8. Especially when there is increased activity in those areas before an LTTE offensive thrust into government areas.GoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-86292648955367567632007-11-19T20:53:00.000+05:302007-11-19T20:53:00.000+05:30Speaking of C-130s. What happened to the SLAF C-13...Speaking of C-130s. What happened to the SLAF C-130s? They were under repairs sometime back and I heard they had to cannibalize one C-130 to repair the other... They also sought Pakistan Air Force to get them repaired/serviced.<BR/><BR/>A great addition from the Royal Air Force to the SLAF wings.. wonder whether if they are still flying ...RomeoAlphaFoxtrothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09636976456011332290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-2388869750621266392007-11-19T17:26:00.000+05:302007-11-19T17:26:00.000+05:30"I did not say or imply that dropping barrel bombs..."I did not say or imply that dropping barrel bombs from Avros heavy bombing. I just said that SLAF have taken a stab in the direction of creating a crude heavy bomber."<BR/><BR/>It wasn't an attempt to create a heavy bomber, GE. It was an attempt to deliver crude petrol-based napalm substitutes and biological weapons (cholera-infected excrement), and no other aircraft could deliver this. However, it was mostly ineffective, and the idea was abandoned.<BR/><BR/>"I can't give you specific examples of previous modification projects carried out by the SLAF, but I can tell you that they know how to be resourceful."<BR/><BR/>I have seen no such signs of resourcefulness, GE. There was a period in the '80s and '90s when such "cottage-industry" enterprise was useful (similar to Israeli endeavours in their War of Independence, and that of the Rhodesian armed forces), but I fear that the LTTE has moved on, and the weapons we need caan no longer be home-made.<BR/><BR/>"You make it sound as if bombing from a high altitude without a bombsight makes the bombs not explode when they hit the ground"<BR/><BR/>They might explode, but they'll be useless if they don't hit the target. We're not trying to kill monkeys or blow up trees.<BR/><BR/>" but I am also sure that if a crude heavy bomber releases bombs over the target area, it will cause some damage. "<BR/><BR/>IF it hits the target. More likely it will miss from high altitude aand end up killing civilians.<BR/><BR/>"Not everyone of the bombs will hit a target, but it can have an effect on a sizable target area. "<BR/><BR/>What sizeable target, GE? We're not bombing industrial cities (which was what B-52s are meant to hit). Most targets in the NE require pinpoint accuracy. Most of the Arclight raids by the USAF in<BR/>South Vietnam wasted huge amounts of high explosive for very little impact. They were only really successful against VC infrastructure (like the Ho Chi Minh trail) albeit with heavy civilian casualties or against North Vietnamese cities and ports. In Iraq and Afghanistan the USAF use B-52s singly or in pairs, and even then (in spite of precision bombsights and haand-held laser designators) with mixed results.<BR/><BR/>It's a waaste of time, money, and resources for the SLAF to pursue such a wild goose when a fighter-bomber is a much more efficient aircraft. <BR/><BR/>Nemesis, Shay, and Jonathan, I wasn't seriously thinking that we could convert a Y-8 or Herky into a Spectre, but it might be possible to replicate one of the older Magic Dragon or Spooky models of the Vietnam War. These had very simple gunsights, basically a crosshair painted on the pilots side window, onto which the guns were zeroed.<BR/><BR/>Nemesis, Some Spectres carry a 105-mm auto-howitzer!David Blackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17294360142245036352noreply@blogger.com