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Many many guerrilla movements have been met with far greater brutality and survived."<BR/><BR/>It has been out of the headlines for about 6 years. Its not because of the Afghan/Iraq wars that the Chechen conflict slipped out of the headlines or simmered down. It was because the Russian military(under Putin) took a no nonsense approach to crush the Chechens. The Russian media was also pushed out of the front lines to give the Russian military more room to become ruthless.<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/>"Guerrilla movements by nature DON'T duke it out on the battlefield, so this is not indicative of defeat."<BR/><BR/>Guerrilla movements don't choose OPEN battlefields, they choose enclosed battlefields. In vietnam the main battlefield was the jungle, in Iraq the main battle field are urban centers.<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/>"I fear you're underestimating the US forces' ability at brutality. But the Russians needed to resort to brutality to counter their inability in fighting the Chechens. The US is less brutal because it is unnecessary. They are much more capable than the Russians, however."<BR/><BR/>I know what the US military is capable of if they threw the Rules of Engagement out the window. The Russians don't have any sort of inability to fight the Chechens like u claim, they just don't give an effort to win the hearts and minds of the Chechen people.<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/>"Your prediction is not based on any real evidence, GE."<BR/><BR/>It will take time to prove my prediction.GoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-86999940535715692042007-12-12T18:54:00.000+05:302007-12-12T18:54:00.000+05:30"The brute force of the Russian military(especiall..."The brute force of the Russian military(especially after Putin came to power) is what took the Chechen war out of the headlines."<BR/><BR/>It has been out of the headlines for a relatively short time, GE, and mostly because Iraq & Afghanistan have grabbed those lines. I find your view very short sighted. You are jumping to a conclusion that ignores all military history in favour of a convenient analysis. You're accepting the most obvious conclusion far too easily. Many many guerrilla movements have been met with far greater brutality and survived.<BR/><BR/>"Thats why they are resort to terrorist bombings instead of duking it out the battlefield. "<BR/><BR/>Guerrilla movements by nature DON'T duke it out on the battlefield, so this is not indicative of defeat.<BR/><BR/>"Those tactics they try to perfect may be good against Western armies who still follow the Rules of Engagement, but not the Russian army."<BR/><BR/>I fear you're underestimating the US forces' ability at brutality. But the Russians needed to resort to brutality to counter their inability in fighting the Chechens. The US is less brutal because it is unnecessary. They are much more capable than the Russians, however.<BR/><BR/>"Sure when guerillas are surpressed in one area they move to another. But usually that other place they move to has a more humane or easier enemy"<BR/><BR/>Exactly why it's too early to announce victory in Chechnya.<BR/><BR/>"but if the Chechens think that the experience if those battlefields will help them in Chechyna then they are mistaken"<BR/><BR/>Your prediction is not based on any real evidence, GE.David Blackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17294360142245036352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-15839328409609107902007-12-10T22:56:00.000+05:302007-12-10T22:56:00.000+05:30David"Brute force has never worked against guerril...David<BR/><BR/>"Brute force has never worked against guerrilla groups when they have had foreign safe haven. Never once. If you want to conclude that the Chechen War is over simply because it's been just simmering for a couple of years, that's upto you. Only time will tell, but I prefer not to simply disregard the weight of military history on the strength of a couple of years."<BR/><BR/>The brute force of the Russian military(especially after Putin came to power) is what took the Chechen war out of the headlines. The war is largely over, the Chechen rebels know. Thats why they are resort to terrorist bombings instead of duking it out the battlefield. The general Chechen population is discouraged with war because they know that they will also bear the brunt of this conflict. They Chechen rebels may be ruthless die hard fanatics, but face an equally ruthless opponent with superior firepower. <BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/>"Again, you're jumping to conclusions. Coalition int has indicated that jihadis are using both Afghanistan & Iraq as training grounds to perfect tactics which will then be utilized in their home countries. It's a repeat of what the foreign mujahid did during the Soviet era in Afghanistan. I'm surprised you're opting for such a convenient assumption about the Chechens."<BR/><BR/>Those tactics they try to perfect may be good against Western armies who still follow the Rules of Engagement, but not the Russian army. The bottomline is that the Russian army does not give a damn about Chechen civilian casaulties.<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/>"Again, you don't seem to understand guerrilla taactics. Without a doubt, the Chechen rebels have suffered major setbacks, but the nature of such conflicts is an ebb and flow. Look at any PF war and you see the same pattern. As guerrillas are suppressed in one area they move to others, and the whole Islamic uprising worldwide is in effect a single guerrilla war, and Chechnya is just one area. Others are the Phillipines and Indonesia, where there's little fighting right now. Surely you don't think thaat meaans that those groups have been defeated? You haave to look at the big picture, GE, and over a longer timeline than a couple of years."<BR/><BR/>Sure when guerillas are surpressed in one area they move to another. But usually that other place they move to has a more humane or easier enemy. I do see that there is an interlinked islamic guerilla war taking place all over the world, but if the Chechens think that the experience if those battlefields will help them in Chechyna then they are mistaken.<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/>"It is for broad storylines, but horrible for military detail. I've watched programmes where they showed B-29s bombing Germany, and Heinkels attacking in the Pacific! Lol."<BR/><BR/>Its not called the "military detail" channel for a reason.GoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-63585732126092159992007-12-10T10:42:00.000+05:302007-12-10T10:42:00.000+05:30"The advantage of having a safe haven and foreign ..."The advantage of having a safe haven and foreign backing has been neutralized by the ruthless brute force of the Russian army, weapons and tactics."<BR/><BR/>Brute force has never worked against guerrilla groups when they have had foreign safe haven. Never once. If you want to conclude that the Chechen War is over simply because it's been just simmering for a couple of years, that's upto you. Only time will tell, but I prefer not to simply disregard the weight of military history on the strength of a couple of years.<BR/><BR/>"Thats why most of the Chechen rebels scattered to face more humane opponents."<BR/><BR/>Again, you're jumping to conclusions. Coalition int has indicated that jihadis are using both Afghanistan & Iraq as training grounds to perfect tactics which will then be utilized in their home countries. It's a repeat of what the foreign mujahid did during the Soviet era in Afghanistan. I'm surprised you're opting for such a convenient assumption about the Chechens.<BR/><BR/>"Otherwise we would still see heavy fighting Chechyna."<BR/><BR/>Again, you don't seem to understand guerrilla taactics. Without a doubt, the Chechen rebels have suffered major setbacks, but the nature of such conflicts is an ebb and flow. Look at any PF war and you see the same pattern. As guerrillas are suppressed in one area they move to others, and the whole Islamic uprising worldwide is in effect a single guerrilla war, and Chechnya is just one area. Others are the Phillipines and Indonesia, where there's little fighting right now. Surely you don't think thaat meaans that those groups have been defeated? You haave to look at the big picture, GE, and over a longer timeline than a couple of years.<BR/><BR/>"The History Channel is good."<BR/><BR/>It is for broad storylines, but horrible for military detail. I've watched programmes where they showed B-29s bombing Germany, and Heinkels attacking in the Pacific! Lol.David Blackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17294360142245036352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-10213620200312852012007-12-08T23:54:00.000+05:302007-12-08T23:54:00.000+05:30sri lankanThe History Channel is good. The best pr...sri lankan<BR/><BR/>The History Channel is good. The best program I have seen on it was the "Declassified" series. Not sure if they show it anymore.GoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-62909287911945659602007-12-08T23:53:00.000+05:302007-12-08T23:53:00.000+05:30David"The Christmas Bombings were against North Vi...David<BR/><BR/>"The Christmas Bombings were against North Vietnam, GE."<BR/><BR/>Yeah the christmas bombings were designed for North Vietnam not South Vietnam.<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/>"Well as I said at the beginning, I feel you're being overly optimistiic. The only way a guerrilla group can be defeated is if they have no safe haven or foreign backing. It's a historical fact. The Chechens have both. History also has proven that most conquored peoples eventually revolt ad infinitum until they are exterminated or succeed."<BR/><BR/>I am not feeling "overly optimistic" I am being realistic. The Chechen rebels were the ones who were overly optimistic and their people and homeland paid the price for it. The advantage of having a safe haven and foreign backing has been neutralized by the ruthless brute force of the Russian army, weapons and tactics. Thats why most of the Chechen rebels scattered to face more humane opponents. Otherwise we would still see heavy fighting Chechyna.GoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-355456528880582882007-12-08T15:03:00.000+05:302007-12-08T15:03:00.000+05:30GEagle..Thanks for your input.GEagle do you subscr...GEagle..Thanks for your input.GEagle do you subscribe to the history channel?.It is really pretty good according to my friends overseas.Srilankanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669706047196092243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-26210151507926636092007-12-08T13:25:00.000+05:302007-12-08T13:25:00.000+05:30"It was called the "christmas bombings" and Nixon ..."It was called the "christmas bombings" and Nixon favored it greatly even though many in congress disapproved it."<BR/><BR/>The Christmas Bombings were against North Vietnam, GE. The VC were South Vietnamese.<BR/><BR/>"Brute force CAN smash insugent groups even though it may not solve the real cause for the fighting."<BR/><BR/>Well as I said at the beginning, I feel you're being overly optimistiic. The only way a guerrilla group can be defeated is if they have no safe haven or foreign backing. It's a historical fact. The Chechens have both. History also has proven that most conquored peoples eventually revolt ad infinitum until they are exterminated or succeed. <BR/><BR/>"Random acts of terror won't bring the Russians to their knees"<BR/><BR/>Exactly why I said Chechnya was a bad example. The Russian/Chechen ratio is too disproportionate in many ways. Even if Chechnya was to utterly defeat the Russians and kick them out of Chechnya, it won't bring Russia to its knees, because Chechnya isn't really significant to Russia except as a matter of pride. However the Sinhalese/Tamil ratio is quite different, and a subjugated Tamil population will forever be revolting. As Julius Caesar said: "A people are not governed who must be perpetually conquored".David Blackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17294360142245036352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-65509918713839489952007-12-08T01:12:00.000+05:302007-12-08T01:12:00.000+05:30sri lankanYes the Afghan rebels were provided with...sri lankan<BR/><BR/>Yes the Afghan rebels were provided with US stringer missiles. The some spare ones were sold by the Taliban to the LTTE.GoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-62941233891545352182007-12-08T01:10:00.000+05:302007-12-08T01:10:00.000+05:30David"I'd take the 'US-backed' part with a pinch o...David<BR/><BR/>"I'd take the 'US-backed' part with a pinch of salt, GE. The US made a lot of it after the event, but in reality all they did was supply the Stingers. Even the training was done by the Pakis. All the funding was Middle Eastern."<BR/><BR/>The USA provided $200 million annually to Afghanistan and Pakistan(for training Mujahadeen) from 1980-1984. From 1984 onwards Reagan and CIA director William Casey tripled the budget to $600 million per year. Now remember this is 1980's US dollars, and in dirty poor 1980's Afghanistan and Pakistan it went a long long way. <BR/><BR/>The Saudis mainly concentrated to building radical madarassas(Zia Ul-Haq approved greatly) in Afghan/Pak border regions to churn out radicals. This gave birth to the first nutjob Taliban generation.<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/>"I have never heard of any rule that prevented the USAF from bombing SAM sites. Where did you hear that?"<BR/><BR/>Well some retired USAF pilots talked about this issue extensively in a recent documentary. I will try to find the name of that documentary for you.<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/>"I'm not sure where you're getting your history from, GE, but it was the North Vietnamese that negotiated with the US, not the VC, and while B-52 Arclight strikes caused extensive damage, they also killed hundreds of civilians."<BR/><BR/>It was called the "christmas bombings" and Nixon favored it greatly even though many in congress disapproved it. Marshall L. Michel's book "The Eleven Days of Christmas: America's Last Vietnam Battle" provides the best info on the christmas bombings. U can get get off Amazon if you are interested.<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/>"If you look at Russian media from the late '70s and early '80s, you'll find that the Russian populace didn't really care much for the Afghans either."<BR/><BR/>Ofcourse the Russians never really cared about the Afghanistan and its people, thats why Nagibulla had to request the Soviets 22 times before they finally sent in 40,000 troops. But the Russians not only don't care about the Chechens but many hate the Chechens with a passion. See the difference between the two cases?<BR/>___________________________________<BR/><BR/>Look, my main point is that the Chechens won't be able to do jack sh*t even with the backing AQ other than carry out random acts of terror. Random acts of terror won't bring the Russians to their knees(they are too proud for that), they will demolish what is left of Chechnya. Brute force CAN smash insugent groups even though it may not solve the real cause for the fighting.GoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-81563827947859312822007-12-07T16:33:00.000+05:302007-12-07T16:33:00.000+05:30GEagle..i agree with you about chechniya..Yes the ...GEagle..i agree with you about chechniya..Yes the Afgans had U.S backing.. i cant remember if they got US missiles ..shoulder launched types..One of the reasons Gorby pulled the russians out was not only the casualty figures but also the sheer cost of sustaining the forces.Srilankanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669706047196092243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-90480669303826365442007-12-07T14:17:00.000+05:302007-12-07T14:17:00.000+05:30DavidThe Russians did fight the US backed Afghans ...David<BR/><BR/>The Russians did fight the US backed Afghans with brutality, but they did not paint all Afghans with the same broad brush stroke going into the conflict. They had to take the feelings of their Afghan allies(Nagibulla) into condsideration as well before going on a rampage against the enemy. They did not want to bomb a tribe that was loyal to their Afghan allies.<BR/><BR/>No such considerations exist when it comes to Chechens and the Chechens don't have a superpower backing them either. The Russians don't give a damn whether they kill half the Chechen population gets killed or not. Many polls show over that 75% of the Russian population would like it of the Chechens move out of Russia to somewhere else. That tells you how most in Russia lack a concience when it comes to Chechens.<BR/><BR/>BTW the US did not go on an all out rampage in Vietnam as you suggest. Sure there were some massacres commited, but the US still largely followed the Rules on Engagement in combat situations. For example the US pilots could not bombs Vietcong SAMs sites because they were located in rice paddies. This decision did cost the US some planes.<BR/><BR/>Besides the US did figure out how to stop the Vietcong in the battlefield(especially the effective bombings with the B-52 that brought the Vietcong to the discussion tables) and their influence towards the latter stages of the war, but the patience of the US people ran out.GoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-84705105579560413612007-12-07T13:29:00.000+05:302007-12-07T13:29:00.000+05:30"Al Quaeda and other jihadis may not be in Chechny..."Al Quaeda and other jihadis may not be in Chechnya now, but even if they do come to help the Chechens it won't make that much of a difference in the battlefield. The Russian army(especially under Putin) is more ruthless in its approach to crushing an insurgency than the Western armies."<BR/><BR/>Think so? Read up on the USSR's Afghan experience. A world super power had its arse handed to it by rag-headed mountain men.<BR/><BR/>Also, if you think that sheer brutality will win you a war, you need to reaad up on the US experience in Vietnam. It doesn't work. It's like trying to stamp mercury into the ground. It flows away and comes back.<BR/><BR/>I already told you AQ wasn't in Chechnya, and that's the reason Russia did as well as they did. Once suicide bombers start hitting Moscow and flying planes into nuclear power stations, you'll see Putin whistling a different tune.<BR/><BR/>The US is far more adept at fighting guerrillas than the Russians, believe me.David Blackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17294360142245036352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-42657053468606919312007-12-07T10:40:00.000+05:302007-12-07T10:40:00.000+05:30David"Chechnya maybe simmering right now, because ...David<BR/><BR/>"Chechnya maybe simmering right now, because Islamic extremism is focused elsewhere, but where do you think many of those Chechen jihadis are? -- yup, Afghanistan & Iraq, and they'll eventually return to their homeland and things will start to boil again. The difference will be how the conflict develops -- the Chechen fighters will learn from the culmination of the fighting in Afghanstan & Iraq, and will adapt their tactics accordingly. AQ was never really involved in Chechnya, but you can bet they will once they're done elsewhere. GE, I'm surprised that you can't see beyond the short-term."<BR/><BR/>Al Quaeda and other jihadis may not be in Chechnya now, but even if they do come to help the Chechens it won't make that much of a difference in the battlefield. The Russian army(especially under Putin) is more ruthless in its approach to crushing an insurgency than the Western armies. They excercise the old school ruthless approach. As a result a lot of Chechen civilians get killed, but the Russians won't lose sleep over it like the West. BTW, it was the Saudi funded Wahabbis that sent arab fighters to help the Chechens not AQ.<BR/><BR/>Why would they even leave Chechnya if they could atleast put up a fight against the Russian army? Because it was too tough for them. Many Chechen fighters left Chechnya to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq because their new enemy(Western armies) actually follows the rules of engagement. Its much easier for an insurgent force to survive in such an environment.GoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-69430016000839044562007-12-07T09:21:00.000+05:302007-12-07T09:21:00.000+05:30GE, I'm sorry if your expectations are not met, bu...GE, I'm sorry if your expectations are not met, but I can't simply agree with you when you're mistaken.<BR/><BR/>Chechnya maybe simmering right now, because Islamic extremism is focused elsewhere, but where do you think many of those Chechen jihadis are? -- yup, Afghanistan & Iraq, and they'll eventually return to their homeland and things will start to boil again. The difference will be how the conflict develops -- the Chechen fighters will learn from the culmination of the fighting in Afghanstan & Iraq, and will adapt their tactics accordingly. AQ was never really involved in Chechnya, but you can bet they will once they're done elsewhere. GE, I'm surprised that you can't see beyond the short-term. <BR/><BR/>However, my point isn't an analysis of how successful (or not) the Chechens will be. The point is that a simmering discontent will always drain the host nation, and while Chechnya maybe too small to affect Russia, the Tamils will always affect SL.David Blackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17294360142245036352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-57770805926299912942007-12-06T21:30:00.000+05:302007-12-06T21:30:00.000+05:30Renegade! mate i said that a new upgread is avilab...Renegade! <BR/><BR/>mate i said that a new upgread is avilable....i didnt say we are going to get it. and no its not the BMP-2 turret, its a chinese/brit type.<BR/><BR/>I have only seen 12.7mm HMGs on our wz551 so far. Wich is ok for a wheeled APC, but my worry is the thin armour.<BR/><BR/>and Defencenet conf. that we do use BTR-80s and 80As.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777902112139093143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-58229471580900906542007-12-06T21:13:00.000+05:302007-12-06T21:13:00.000+05:30correction****Russia CAN get away with this kind o...correction<BR/><BR/>****Russia CAN get away with this kind of brutality, because they are still a big country and an important international player.****GoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-61252499184132702007-12-06T21:08:00.000+05:302007-12-06T21:08:00.000+05:30DavidC'mon man, I expected better of you. At best ...David<BR/><BR/>C'mon man, I expected better of you. At best all the Chechens can do is become is an annoying mosquito that never goes away. <BR/><BR/>Even with covert Saudi Wahabbi backing the Chechens simply can't take on the Russian warmachine. <BR/><BR/>Unlike the West the Russians have a different method when dealing with terrorists. Its called "bombs away". Look at most of the buildings in Chechnya, I am pretty sure you must have seen the carnage.<BR/><BR/>Russia can't get away with this kind of brutality, because they are still a big country and an important international player.GoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-80033887420059370312007-12-06T21:07:00.000+05:302007-12-06T21:07:00.000+05:30GEagle..actually the chechens are not doing so wel...GEagle..actually the chechens are not doing so well as you rightly said.this is because one of their "key terrorist agents"..i think was captured alive by the russians.This is pretty old news and cant remember the exact details.Remember the chechens holding a school to ransom?..that time i think..Srilankanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669706047196092243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-24339349848977118142007-12-06T20:57:00.000+05:302007-12-06T20:57:00.000+05:30GE, I think you're being premature in writing off ...GE, I think you're being premature in writing off the Chechens. It's too early to tell.David Blackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17294360142245036352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9079007316930841006.post-36499906668199050352007-12-06T20:44:00.000+05:302007-12-06T20:44:00.000+05:30DavidThe Chechens are still fighting? I wouldn't e...David<BR/><BR/>The Chechens are still fighting? I wouldn't exactly call that fighting. Face it, the Chechens are finished and they know it. They may fire a few bullets here and there but to salvage their pride, but they are fooling no one.<BR/><BR/>Its like in a boxing match. The Chechens are so battered, bruised and tired that they can't even keep their hands up anymore to defend themselves.GoldenEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097391147469779596noreply@blogger.com