Heavy casualties were reported when suspected LTTE rebels set off a claymore mine targeting a civilian transport near Abhimanapura today evening. According to latest reports 15 civilians have been killed and further 23 have been injured in the incident. As of now, no military casualties are reported. The Ceylon Transportation Board (CTB) owned bus which was hit, had 50 passengers on board (all civilians) when the incident occurred.
Meanwhile SLA kept up its limited offensives on Wanni defense lines pushing LTTE further into a defensive stance. SLA attacks are originating from multiple fronts in Mannar and Vavuniya and in some places SLA forward defense lines have been extended by 1Kms.
Providing support for the Special Infantry units are army's deep penetration squads. Soldiers of 3SF (3rd Special Forces regiment) carried out at least 3 attacks inside LTTE held territory in Mannar and Vavuniya during last week. According to enemy communications, a land rover and two double cabs belonging to LTTE have been destroyed in these attacks. Information on the intended targets or casualty figures are unavailable as of now.
CONFIRMED NEWS: K-faction setup the claymore.
ReplyDeletehaha
the boss
ReplyDeleteAre you happy,
check your back
haha
"Confirmed news :K-faction .." ??
ReplyDeleteare you dreaming ?
you cowards dont have balls to accept what you did. Why are so reluctant to assume its done by LTTE ? what prevents you there ?
Stope dreaming and wake up man.
F*** the LTTE. It is deplorable for the LTTE to kill poor innorcent civilians riding in public transportation. SLDF wipe the LTTE clean forever.
ReplyDeleteyou are correct Sam,
ReplyDeletethis BOSS has come from LNP
he is jumping here and there
as skywalker mentioned THE BOSS dosn't have balls even,
very soon he will go to hell with VP.
hey boss where r u ..i am searching you...not in LNP..not in DW...hey gyes we need to save this man at least for my bite..
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ReplyDeleteHow to decide the future of Sri Lanka:
ReplyDeleteIn agreement with the IC the tamils should be given Eelam, but only conditionally. And that condition requires the state of Eelam to show growth and a strong economy in a timeframe ranging from 2 years to 5 years.
If it can show that its has grown positively it should be a permanent solution.
Think about this. Atleast 1 million diaspora tamils lives in western countries. And there is a huge part of this who have high level education and social status. If the Eelam government could intergrate these people into the newly created state it would show positive effects already in the first months. Let alone time frame of 2-years.
Eelam and Sri lanka would be like Israel and Palestine.
One (Eelam) having high-standard living and bearing western ideals while the other(SL) struggling in poverty and misery.
All the world countries could see it with their naked eyes what the real issue has been in the last 60 years; the sinhala mindset.
VP should challenge the IC to this test. I bet the Sinhala nazis would be frightened to death because they know the tamils are the motor of their country.
Sinhalese has nothing to show to the world. Only punk ass goofs called monks.
Tamils are famous mathematicians, actors. Tamil culture is infamous. Their religion is loved worldwide. Alot of doctors and scientists are tamils. Tamil is one of worlds oldest language. And the list goes so on.
Sinhalese has jackshit nothing.
Eelam is inevitable.
Boss
ReplyDeleteI just don’t want to engage a stupid argument with you…
Just see the Tamils in abroad how they live ..
In UK they work non stop to earn money some of they there for 20 years but they can’t even speak any English. An send money to LTTE like you to destroy my beautiful country..you Tamils are foreigners in for SL they invaded my country please go away you belong to Southern India
Tamils will never integrate that’s why they are always problem for the world…
Just see wherever they go they have problems, fights, gang violence and they kill each other . They behave like Tamil move..
See Tamils in these countries
India
Malaysia
S.Africa
UK
Norway
US
Canada
They will never live peacefully.
No one likes Tamils because of their attitude…
Their faith is second citizen in anywhere they go…
You are correct few Tamils are educated and famous in this world because of Sri Lankan education system not just because of they are Tamils…you better thanks to GOSL for that.
Just see in SL you have 2.5 million of you people but how many Tamil Political parties you have. You people always kill each other that’s you culture.
See your women they are suffering because of your culture..
you Tamils always problem for this world..I don’t know where your roots coming from must not be from India?… this is your poor mental setup you have inferiority complex.
Guys,
ReplyDeleteIt looks like the DPU is in full swing in Vanni; these barbaric acts reflect nothing, but desperation before the total annhilation.
The act of robbery of the life of an unarmed civilian, whether he is Tamil or Sinhalese on purpose is deplorable in every sense. The LTTE or its sympatheisers can justify them as did the likes of Himler and Geobells. It is not distant history, how the fate was sealed of these butchers, when the Red Army was around the corner.
In sad times like this, only thing that I think of is the humble flame of an oil lamp; it gets unusually large on the verge of its demise - giving last bit of light in a disproportionate way!
Can we draw a parallel with this war ?
The Boss
ReplyDelete"I bet the Sinhala nazis would be frightened to death because they know the tamils are the motor of their country."
If you look at FACTUAL history, you will see that the Sinhalese have developed into an advanced civilization without Tamils.
History shows the biggest contribution the Tamils gave the Sinhalese kingdoms was grief, lots and lots of grief. With repeated invasions. There were times when the Sinhalese civilization was tettering on the edged of total destruction because invading Tamil forces, but we still survived. The Tamils established their first PERMANENT kingdom in the 12th century on conquered(stolen) land. We established our first kingdom WAY before the 12th century.
Face it, your fabled Tamil Eelam is looking to establish itself on stolen land from the ancient Sinhalese. But you guys still play the "The NE is Tamil people's historical homeland" card. We Sinhalese should also play the "original homeland" card so we can re-claim the entire NE as ancient Sinhala homelands which we lost so long ago Tamils.
Any Tamil who wants to stay in Lanka is welcome. If some Tamils want a seperate homeland, they can go to Tamil Nadu.
goldeneagle:
ReplyDeleteThey are rewriting or twisting history. This is from some article posted on LNP by an LTTEr.
"Some Hindu Temples were converted as Buddhist Vihara after the Hindu Tamil King Deva Nambiya Theesan trusted the Buddhist monk named Mahinda and converted to Buddhism."
You see, it is quite possible that tamils lived in SL with dynosaurs.
ReplyDeleteThis kabithigollawa incident shows the clear desperation of LTTE. They are retreating from every side in the battle front.
ReplyDeleteHowever this incident puts a big pressure to the goverment on every side. The old song may be sung again. " This war can not be won, war is merely a destruction, who likes this war.... ", Also to the opposition, this is a good time to arrange press conferances to critizise the goverment for not protectng the citizens.
I think the SL army should not change their original tactics with this. No need to hurry and get confused. The procedue for defeat terrorism must be continuted as planned.
OK boss, I have a feeling things are going to get pretty ugly around here pretty soon, so let me put in my two cents.
ReplyDeleteThe IC doesn't have to wait two to eight years to compare SL and your proposed 'conditional' Eelam. They can consider the reality that exists today.
The Sri Lankan state is very far from perfect, but the government is duly elected, the cabinet has representatives of all major ethnicities and faiths, the judiciary regularly asserts its independence, the trade unions are (all too) active, and the press is indomitable. Stand that against the brutal fascist cult-dictatorship of the proto-Eelam in the Vanni and I think the IC is smart enough to figure out which comes closer to 'western ideals'.
As for the economy, again why wait? Life is not easy in Sri Lanka. But despite having to endure the ravages of terrorism for over 30 years, there is still less poverty, less illiteracy, and higher general living standards here than in, say, Tamil Nadu. So imagine what SL could be like without VP's murder and mayhem...
I grant you that the Tamils are a great people. And I accept that the Sinhalese have their faults. But the only contribution that Eelamists have made to modern life is the suicide bomber. And that is why Eelam will inevitably fail.
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ReplyDeleteo.k lets not provide entertainment for people whose home is that trashy webpage LNP.
ReplyDeleteHaha, I must have touched a very soft spot or something. Reading those replies makes me laugh. Those replies contains so much hatred and anger.
ReplyDeleteSo many lies.
If you Sinhalese really think Tamils cant create a successful state then you're in for a real surprise. Look what you have done to this island. Look how ugly our daily lives are. Singapore, once saw upto SL. Look how far they have gotten, still the nazi government is seeking a military solution to this conflict. Ranking #93 on the HDI while Singapore is #29, you sure must be proud when you cannot take care of an island the size of SL. Such a shame isn't it?
I challenge all you racist whiners to this test. If you are so sure we cannot take care of our people and build a strong state why don't we try? 12 months is enough to prove you that we've become greater state than you can ever become.
Defencenet,
ReplyDeleteCould you please give us an update on what is going on in Yala at the moment?
There is a report that says the finding of the body of a female Tiger.
I hope you can shed some light on that.
the boss
ReplyDeleteIts not easy to achieve fast economic growth while fighting terrorism at the same time. It's like running a marathon with one foot in a bucket, but we still managed to do pretty good. We have the highest standard of living of all MAJOR South Asian countries despite the best efforts of the LTTE to destroy us.
onecountry
ReplyDeleteYou are right.
These LTTE supporters can't and never will accept the real FACTUAL history of Lanka.
If they were to accept the real factual history of the island which is also accepted by the rest of the world, then they would have to accepted that their quest for Tamil Eelam has no substance behind it.
You see, LTTE supporters can't and never will accept the true factual history of Sri Lanka because:
a) It shows that the NE was not always the "orginal historical homeland of the Tamils" as they widely claim.
b) If the NE was not always the "orginal homeland of Tamils" then the Tamil Eelam concept has no leg to stand.
If they want a Tamil homeland, then they should go to Tamil Nadu.
I feel sorry to these fools though, every time they open a history books is whatever foreign country they may live in, they will see the true globally accepted history Sri Lanka, I bet it really eats them up.
Oh dear, look what the cat dragged in – “BOSS” (of coolies!)
ReplyDeleteWhoa, FTF is going on? Hey Coolie-Boss, I remember you from LNP and did I not castrate you there once and I recalled you loved it! Yeppie, remember me…OaO Asithri who loved to cut you “eelam tamils” or Stupid We Tamils (SWETS) or We Pissu Tamils (WEPTS) (as some patriots in LNP coined in there sometime back), down to size there? LMSSAO!
Patriots, now let’s give this coolie-Boss a break as after all his “eelam tamil” indoctrination on us is no different to what we have been seeing from that old fart, grandpa Blacker. These buggers are alike and truly mental cases! Wonder if both buggers are the same, operating under different handles! Well you never know…OaO Asithri is supposed to be “Mixer” and something else..!!! LMSSAO!
WEPTS and SWETS suffer from a majority complex and some of our own Sinhela poor sods (like RW pansy) suffer from a minority complex! This is the problem in Sri Lanka and this is why this war has continued for this long.
As I elaborate below, frankly, there was nothing we Sinhelas could do to appease this arrogant minority given SL's close proximity to Tamil Nadu where 65 million of their kith/kin live! This is what makes them have this "majority complex" over us and the sooner we realize this, the better for all!
Here we have a minority that enjoyed unparalleled prosperity and achievement seen in any developing nation, but yet they saw it fit to wage an armed struggle, resorting to abject terrorism, for separatism! Poor grandpa Blacker has lost his marbles….I gave the stats on the high number of entrants to the various academic spheres in SL from the Tamil minority prior to this separatist-terrorism rearing its ugly head, and all what the naïve bugger could say it “Tamils are more studious than Sinhelas”…Wow! LMSSAO!
What the moron cannot understand is if there had been DISCRIMINATION in the country against the Tamil minority (as claimed by SWETS and WEPTS), then how in the bloody hell could they enter the universities in those high numbers (i.e. In 1981 just before the Ethnic war escalated, the 12.6 % Tamils accounted for 25% of those entering University for Medical studies, 24% for Dentistry, 40% for Veterinary Science) as by golly, our “discriminatory establishment” would have ensured it “crossed out” a name as soon as it saw it was a Tamil name (and no one would have known about it)!!! Nice try grandpa, but your pants are falling down…better tie that coir rope around your armpits more securely! LMSSAO!
Another poop-drop from grandpa Blacker (which the coolie-Boss will agree on):
“Land ownership stats in Colombo, and posts held in the civil service accounted for a tiny fraction of Tamils…”
Wow, what a bloody fallacy! You only had to look at Colombo 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, to see the disproportionate (to their 12% standing) number of Tamil houses in 1981 to know that this is garbage! As well, although the Burghers and Tamils virtually ruled the civil service 100% during the fcuking suddhas time [as they were good at bum-sucking the bloody suddhas AND discriminating against us Sinhelas where we were third-class citizens (Burghers and Tamils were second-class citizens, while the British were of course, the first-class) in our own motherland!], once we gained independence and decided to change a few things and particularly cater to the 85% of the hitherto disposed Sinhela majority and required a working knowledge of Sinhela in the civil service, naturally, instead of making an effort to learn Sinhela, the buggers just vacated the civil service in the “South” – No, not in NE they were still running it as there was no requirement for them to learn Sinhela and operate there.
Which brings to the next poop-drop from grandpa Blacker:
"Sinhala Only" ensured Tamils couldn't carry out any official business (not even in the Tamil-majority NE),
Patriots, this is a bloody filthy lie – typical of SWET/WEPTS. Can you imagine GOSL dictating to the Jaffna Tamils that their court proceedings MUST BE DONE in SINHELA? Wow! This would be like asking the Chinese to conduct their court proceedings in Greek! LMSSAO! Wow, when you tell a lie, at least make it a plausible lie…and not a bloody filthy poop-drop that nobody believes in!
Did someone say grandpa Blacker wrote a book…what a bloody laugh! What did it contain I wonder…double-dutch speak? LMSSAO! I have heard of some patriots saying here that the bugger totally sold-out SLA SF DPU/LRRP in that book portraying them as civilian-killers! No, I would not be caught dead with a cheap trashy piece like that…but nevertheless, based on what I heard, if it’s true, then that says it all about this “eelam tamil” sympathetic ole fart pretending to be a “war-hero” here!
Time for the Superman to fly…
LMSSAO!
OaO Asithri
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ReplyDeleteCould you please give us an update on what is going on in Yala at the moment? "
Yes one tiger body was recovered by the commandos who were dispatched to the scene after teh incident. 4 more LTTE cadres are suspected to be injured. Search operations are still on.
To all,
Do not post racist comments.
Road closed due to
ReplyDeleteSuspected Parcel close to Fish Market..
B#1
ReplyDeleteI passed there around 8.15...all was ok at the time
Eelam is a stillborn concept.
ReplyDeleteWhat's happening now is just target practice for Sri Lankan troops.
Ranil,
ReplyDeleteIt was around 9 am.
Bomb disposal unit confirmed its Car Battery.
We should identify these jokers who is trying to play with Defence forces and should punish them.
"We should identify these jokers who is trying to play with Defence forces and should punish them."
ReplyDeleteMore dangerous they may not be jokers, could be LTTE agents observing reaction times and response times to packages etc.
Jack..i agree with you..Jack my theory has always been that if we are to ever really pose a threat to the LTTE then we need to have a highly educated sinhala vote overseas.
ReplyDeletethe Boss,
ReplyDeleteI believe LTTE has OaO option at this moment.
That is trying to do the maximum (mess up civilians life) to change the MR government and survive.
B#1..the LTTE have the option of over and out?>No chance mate..its too late for over and out..Now
ReplyDeleteBoss, if your economic miracle in the NE is dependant on the diaspora Tamils returning, then I'm afraid you shouldn't hold your breath. The DTs have shown no eagerness to return, nor to involve themselves in fighting for Eelam.
ReplyDelete"Patriots, now let’s give this coolie-Boss a break as after all his “eelam tamil” indoctrination on us is no different to what we have been seeing from that old fart, grandpa Blacker. "
Ha ha. Looks like Arseholithri aka Superman is too scared of the Boss to take him on, so he's still having a go at me. I have already challenged him in the previous threads, and instead of responding, Superman scurries over to a new thread and starts off again. Lol. Anyway, I'll repeat what I said there, then DefNet can put up new post and Superman can run (he's having trouble flying it seems) over there and start again. Lol.
"Wonder if both buggers are the same, operating under different handles!"
Oh dear, that scared of the Boss that you have to connect him to me? Why would I change my name like Arsithri/Superman/Scorpion/Mixer and all the other silly montesori names you've given yourself to cover your deficiencies? I've ably managed to kick your backside up and down this site to the point that you've been forced to attack me on other sites
" Well you never know…OaO Asithri is supposed to be “Mixer” and something else..!!! "
Apparently you are many things, Arsithri, but people here don't like to be reminded of what your family business is ;) Haha.
"“Tamils are more studious than Sinhelas”"
Well apparently they are, if we are to believe your "statistics". It was YOU that claimed there was a higher percentage of Tamils in unis than Sinhalese.
"What the moron cannot understand is if there had been DISCRIMINATION in the country against the Tamil minority (as claimed by SWETS and WEPTS), then how in the bloody hell could they enter the universities in those high numbe"
Well if you had been born at the time and not still a cum drop in that dog's dick, you'd have known that the discrimination wasn't in education. I have already pointed out to you (and I'll just copy&paste from the earlier thread you fled from) that the issues were language (Sinhala Only until '77, and Tamil once given equal status, not implemented practically even today), self-governance (Tamils voted for it at independence), constitution (non-Buddhists barred from leading the nation), etc. Plus there's the small matter of the regular riots in which hundreds and thousands of Tamils were murdered and dispossessed.
"“Land ownership stats in Colombo, and posts held in the civil service accounted for a tiny fraction of Tamils…”
Wow, what a bloody fallacy! You only had to look at Colombo 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, to see the disproportionate (to their 12% standing) number of Tamil houses in 1981 to know that this is garbage! "
Ha ha. Did you think that the majority of SL Tamils lived in Colombo, you donkey? And please provide the stats (proper ones, not made up by you) that prove that Tamils owned property disproportionate to their numbers.
"once we gained independence and decided to change a few things and particularly cater to the 85% of the hitherto disposed Sinhela majority and required a working knowledge of Sinhela in the civil service, naturally, instead of making an effort to learn Sinhela, the buggers just vacated the civil service in the “South” "
Thank you, Arsehithri for arguing my point for me. So you confirm above that the GoSL changed things to dispossess the Tamils and benefit the Sinhalese. So if the Tamils "vacated" the civil and government services, what happpened to all those stats you provided? Ha ha. I know, you just named a dozen top officials who'd joined the above services before discrimination began and were well established. There were almost NO Tamils recruited to the above services post-Sinhala only and pre-'77.
"Patriots, this is a bloody filthy lie – typical of SWET/WEPTS. Can you imagine GOSL dictating to the Jaffna Tamils that their court proceedings MUST BE DONE in SINHELA?"
Wow in deed. That was exactly what the GoSL dictated.
Why don't you pick on someone of your own little intellect, Arsehithri, like that idiot Boss. You just might win against him. Oh but wait, did he kick your butt too? Oh DEAR.
"Did someone say grandpa Blacker wrote a book…what a bloody laugh! What did it contain I wonder…double-dutch speak?"
No, it was English, which going on your posts, seems a bit beyond you, Superman. But I blame it on SWRD and his Sinhala-only which made sure most Sinhalese educated ever since have very little English unless they went to an urban elite school.
"I have heard of some patriots saying here that the bugger totally sold-out SLA SF DPU/LRRP in that book portraying them as civilian-killers!"
Book reviews now, Arsehithri. My my, you are spreading yourself, but then I hear you're pretty good at spreading over there in that NYC toilet you clean. Lol. It always amuses me that pro-LTTEers always criticise my book for being anti-LTTE and glorifying the Army. Looks like Superdupe here agrees with his Tiger friends and his NGO sponsors. Ha ha. BTW, you'll find my book in the library of both the Diyatalawa officers' academy and the Kotalawela Defence Academy. I wonder why, no? Go have a look next time you visit your "honchos", Arsithri. Or you could ask Santa to bring you one. Lol.
"Time for the Superman to fly… "
Take a long run up, and watch out for crow shit.
Mr Blaker,
ReplyDeleteA simple practical question for you.
Let's say GOSL has given so called
equal status to Tamils and they live in very happy in SL.
and there is a cricket match between Sri Lanka & India. What would be the country that
tamils will support for?????
Answer is "India". This will never change even tamils get more status than sinhalese in Sri Lanka.
and this problem will never end until tamils Love SL.
Don't say "they hate SL & Love India because of this war...."
Because i know very well about tamils.
Its sad to see the wild dogs like boss spry shit on the valuable hard work that defencenet/wire puts here when we are in a position that clear news articles are rare. It's a waste of u guys time to reply this bastards . These stupids are brain washed puppets who will never turn until they achieve an kolam state (pathetic indeed...). I hope that the moderation process needs to be continued (if time permits u guys)
ReplyDeleteJust wanted to point out an issue related to colombo security..
Even though all the vehicles and houses were checked, the TNA minister's houses are not covered under the parliament privileges and since they worship the ugly pig, there could be a situation that their mansions in colombo surrounded by big walls cold be a safe heave for the LTTE carders and weapons.
and then there is a claim in lankaenews that the people who are injured are security personnel who traveled as civilians to avoid attacks . IS THIS TRUE if so this is a serious matter.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.lankaenews.com/Sinhala/news.php?id=3765
David i have a question for you..At the time of independance should a seperate county have been created for the minority tamil population?..In that case what about the muslims?..should they not require a seperate country as well?.
ReplyDeleteStretching it...
what about minorities across the world..should they all ask for seperate countries as well..
"and then there is a claim in lankaenews that the people who are injured are security personnel who traveled as civilians to avoid attacks . IS THIS TRUE if so this is a serious matter.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.lankaenews.com/Sinhala/news.php?id=3765"
As far as we know this is entirely false.
if this is false, can we continue to run this country under this type of journalism where selling the dignity of the country while living by tiger's pay cheque has become the easiest way for a living ..... This is once again pathetic
ReplyDelete"Let's say GOSL has given so called
ReplyDeleteequal status to Tamils and they live in very happy in SL.
and there is a cricket match between Sri Lanka & India. What would be the country that
tamils will support for?????"
Er... so we shouldn't treat Tamils equally because they support India in cricket. Oh that's brilliant.
"and this problem will never end until tamils Love SL.Don't say "they hate SL & Love India because of this war...."
Yes, it's true that many Tamils supported India in cricket, but to say they all do is incorrect. I myself have watched many matches against India with Tamils who supported SL. Particularly after Murali & Arnold started playing, and this is telling. They could support SL because Tamils were part of the SL team. If you treat Tamils like aliens or foreigners, you can't expect them to love SL. You need to stop calling SL a Sinhalese/Buddhist state and make it a secular state in which language and religion are irrelevant. This has never been done, B#1, so how will you know how the Tamils would behave in other circumstances?
"David i have a question for you..At the time of independance should a seperate county have been created for the minority tamil population?"
Hard to say, SL. But prior to colonisation, the island wasn't one nation, so if the Tamils wanted their own nation at independence (and they did vote for it btw), the Brits should've given it to them as they did in the case of Pakistan/India and Israel/Palestine. Whether we would've avoided bloodshed (the slaughter at the time of partition in both above instances sayss no) or war in the end is hard to say (India has fought Pakistan several times, and Israel and the Palestinians are still fighting). The Muslims would not have required a separate state of their own as the biggest issue was language, and the Moors (which are the majority of the Muslims) speak Tamil as a first language. The Malays & Burghers would've integrated anyway as they already have, or left. But if there had been a partition, there would have been no Tamil grouse.
Lankaenews is actually a "katakatha" level web site. Their journlists live in their own world but some times the report truth too.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your input David.If the tamils were given eelam now..what is to stop the muslims from demanding their own state.??.they will always say the sinhala gave tamils their own country and they are discriminating against us by not giving us our own..then we may have alquida..where does this end??..I think this aspect worries many people.
ReplyDelete"Hard to say, SL. But prior to colonisation, the island wasn't one nation, so if the Tamils wanted their own nation at independence (and they did vote for it btw), the Brits should've given it to them"
ReplyDeleteWell, that is highly debatable. SL has more claim to be "one nation" than most countries in the world. Secondly, SL does not belong to the Brits to give away as they please.
India for example was never one nation until independence, and its far more diverse than SL. Even the largest Indian empire's (Mughal, Asoka, Maurya etc.) never unified the entire nation that constitues modern India.
Europe comprised of many small kingdoms which were constantly at war. Many countries in Europe didn't emerge as single nations until as late as the early 19th century. Lets not even bother to touch on Africa.
There is no doubt that there would have been sub-kingdoms in SL as in many other countries. There would also have been Tamil kings from time to time. But that is entirely different from a separate "Tamil kingdom" for which there is no accepted historical evidence, as far as I know.
The fact that SL (and most countries) in the world would not have been ruled as "one nation" from time to time, is not an excuse for separatism in the modern world. A lot of minorities in many countries of the world can claim discrimation (some far more legitimately than the Tamils in SL). That does not mean we can go back to the dark ages and divide the world along ethnic, tribal lines.
If the British had attempted a partition during independence, it would undoubtedly have been bloody like the Indian experience and most Tamils living in the south would have been driven away to the north-east vice versa.
What matters is trying to meaningfully address "reasonable" minority grievances. Not giving in to any megalomaniac separatist who claims "discrimination" as basis for seperation and ethnic cleansing.
"so we shouldn't treat Tamils equally because they support India in cricket."
ReplyDeleteI didn't say that.. for most of tamils India is the mother land for them they think. Any product from India that is the best they say even a fart.
You ask 100 tamil people Do you like Murali..? 98 people will say NO (since he has to ball against India).
Only two people you and my self will say yes.
I think main reason is Film Industry of Thamil Nadu, tamils have films & dramas only from India those shows how the heroes (Rajini, Kamal, Vijay, Ajith) Love their country and Sri Lankan poor tamils are very sensitive to love India.
Simple example: You ask a 10 year old tamil boy (who doesn't know the history), Do you like India or Sri Lanka..??
Tamils cant blame Sinhalese until they LOVE their mother country SRI LANKA.
"If the tamils were given eelam now..what is to stop the muslims from demanding their own state.??"
ReplyDeleteNormally, the Muslims would have no grounds for such a claim, either historic or language-based -- there never were any Moorish or Moghul kingdoms in SL, and a Tamil state would have Tamil as the first language, which is what the Moors speak.
BUT...
...given the way the NE Muslims have been treated by the NE Tamils, it seems very unlikely that the Moors would be willing to accept being part of Eelam, unless it's constitution guaranteed adequate representation.
SO...
...it's too late for Eelam. It should've been given in 1949, before alll of this. Now it'll never work. So devolution of power, federalism, or whatever you want to label it is the way to go. Or if not, then enough constitutional changes will have to be made to guarantee the Tamils equality & adequate representation. Either way, it will mean a new constitution.
"Well, that is highly debatable. SL has more claim to be "one nation" than most countries in the world"
ReplyDeleteWhere is the debate, Shay? Can you point out any evidence of a single kingdom at the time of the Portugese landings? Successive European powers defeated or treated with the different kings until eventually it was all unified under the British, just as it was in India. Now before you all jump up my backside (Superman in the lead), I'm not saying SL sshould've been partitioned. I don't know whether we would've avoided bloodshed. I was simply answering Sri Lankan's question.
"Secondly, SL does not belong to the Brits to give away as they please."
Of course not, but it did 1873 and 1949, or at least they governed it. And it would not have been a case of "giving it away" (people seem to love that phrase); partition would've been in consultation with the relevant parties, as it was done in India/Pakistan, and Israel/Palestine.
"India for example was never one nation until independence, and its far more diverse than SL. "
Exactly my point. India COULD have been divided up further at the time if needed. It didn't seem necessary (only Bangladesh eventually split from Pakistan), and hasn't been needed since. You may think I'm for partition or a separate Tamil state, but I'm not. In fact, I fought to prevent it. I'm just pointing out the pros and cons.
"Europe comprised of many small kingdoms which were constantly at war. Many countries in Europe didn't emerge as single nations until as late as the early 19th century."
Exactly, and that is why even recently many eastern European countries are still splitting up into smaller nations. As we speak, Belgium is debating whether the Flemish-speaking portion should separate from the French-speaking part. If you're for a united SL, you should stay away from using Europe as an example, as it's only a model for separation! Overall, historical maps can only be followed so far (and in our case," so far" was 1949), after which you have to decide your course according to more recent events.
"There would also have been Tamil kings from time to time. But that is entirely different from a separate "Tamil kingdom" for which there is no accepted historical evidence, as far as I know. "
Certainly there was no single Tamil kingdom in the NE and a single Sinhalese kingdom in the south. There were several Tamil kingdoms or fiefdoms in which mostly Tamil Hindus lived and there were similar Sinhalese kingdoms in which mostly Sinhalese Buddhists lived.
"The fact that SL (and most countries) in the world would not have been ruled as "one nation" from time to time, is not an excuse for separatism in the modern world"
I never said it was. However IF separatism is being considered, then historical borders are a good roadmap to follow.
"If the British had attempted a partition during independence, it would undoubtedly have been bloody like the Indian experience and most Tamils living in the south would have been driven away to the north-east vice versa."
I agree. I pointed this out in my answer to Sri Lankan. However, this could've been avoided if the British oversaw the handover more stringently than they did in India and Pakistan. Over there, everything was far too large for the Brits to handle by that point, but Ceylon would've been different. The Brits retained a naval base as Crown territory for many years after independence, and could've withdrawn from the island more gradually, acting as a peacekeeping force until things had calmed down.
"What matters is trying to meaningfully address "reasonable" minority grievances."
I agree, and most of the original Tamil grievances were fairly reasonable.
"for most of tamils India is the mother land for them they think. Any product from India that is the best they say even a fart."
Don't be silly. Maybe you mean Indian Tamils, but the SL or Jaffna Tamils definitely think they're a cut above the Indian Tamils, and definitely don't see India as the motherland! You say you know all about Tamils, but I'm afraid most of what you say is stereotypical and incorrect.
"You ask 100 tamil people Do you like Murali..? 98 people will say NO (since he has to ball against India). Only two people you and my self will say yes."
Now you're actually being absured, B#1. But I thought I'd test your theory at lunch. I found 12 Tamils in my office canteen and I asked them individually. 11 said they liked Murali and the 12th said he anyway hated cricket and didn't care. I then asked them if they like the Indian cricket team and a few said they liked Tendulkar & Dravid, and that they cheer for India, BUT ONLY WHEN THEY'RE PLAYING PAKISTAN OR WEST INDIES. The others said they thought the Indians were OK, but supported SL.
"I think main reason is Film Industry of Thamil Nadu, "
Er... you think only Tamils like Indian movies? Who do you think is packing the cinemas to watch those dumb Hindi movies, Tamils? Of course Tamils like Indian Tamil movies -- there are NO Sri Lankan Tamil movies! Lol.
"Simple example: You ask a 10 year old tamil boy (who doesn't know the history), Do you like India or Sri Lanka..??"
You ask a 10-year-old Sinhalese boy if he likes England or SL. He'll probably say England!
You're being silly B#1 :)
"Tamils cant blame Sinhalese until they LOVE their mother country SRI LANKA"
How can they love their mother when she's acting like a step-mother?
Guys,
ReplyDeleteAs I truly believe, in the civilised world, there should not be any ethnic hatred.
Every human being is equal at birth. Their thinking and acts make them either low or high.
I am kindly asking everyone, can we refrain from broad-base racial attacks here?
Not every Tamil is a terrorist. Not every Sinhalese is divine.
There is none in this world without any misdeeds in their closets.
What I do not agree is Prabhakaran's request of a part from the country and totally Nazi Fascist cult of killing, elimination of opponents, ethnic cleansing, indiscriminate killing, violance, and pure Tamil Ethnic Eelam he is advocating.
Blacker,
ReplyDelete"You ask a 10-year-old Sinhalese boy
if he likes England or SL.
He'll probably say England!"
THERE YOU ARE!!
Confirmed news:
ReplyDelete2 SLA soldier was amongst those killed in the Kebitigollawe claymore attack
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ReplyDeletescum boss,
ReplyDeletePlease be kind to the environment. Make sure to ware a diaper always. You carry and drop too much of urine and fecal matter on your way.
Blacker Blacker Blacker,
ReplyDelete"Where is the debate, Shay? Can you point out any evidence of a single kingdom at the time of the Portugese landings?"
Do you really want to get in to this argument? Can you go back in time little bit to Parakramabahu IV, Nissanka Malla, Prarakramabahu the Great, Vijayabahu the Great. Chola's tried to annex my homeland (yours as well) many many times and we have beaten them back. We have chronicles (not just one, multiple sources), archaeological ruins, inscriptions etc etc to support the claims. However, I don't believe that this history is relevant for peace in our country. Please go forth if you want to discuss this matter.
""You ask a 10-year-old Sinhalese boy
ReplyDeleteif he likes England or SL.
He'll probably say England!"
THERE YOU ARE!!"
Lol, so a Tamil boy likes India and a Sinhalese boy likes England. And your point is?
"Do you really want to get in to this argument? Can you go back in time little bit to Parakramabahu IV, Nissanka Malla, Prarakramabahu the Great, Vijayabahu the Great. Chola's tried to annex my homeland (yours as well) "
Sam, Sam, Sam, didn't you read my post? I said (and I'll capitalise the areas you haven't understood):
"Can you point out any EVIDENCE of a SINGLE kingdom AT THE TIME OF THE PORTUGESE LANDINGS?"
Let me recap so that we don't waste time. SL asked me if I thought the Brits should've partitioned the country at independence. I said, since there wasn''t any evidence of the country having been united at the time of colonisation, it may not have been a bad idea. I then pointed out the pros and cons of such a partition.
Hope it's clear now, Sam.
DefenceNet,
ReplyDeleteThank you for the update about the situation in Yala.
One guy here said that the Sri Lankan Tamils support India when a cricket match is being played.
I am a Sinhalese Buddhist live in an European country and as far as I am aware, it is exactly the opposite here; most Tamils support the Sri Lankan team and the die-hards with LTTE agenda chose to be the exception.
There are a lot of Tamils who are proudly say that they are Sri Lankans. There is no diproportionate inclination towards the Indians here; quite the opposite is true. They know those who are proud of their Arian ansestry, are not the best buddies of the Tamils - at least instinctively.
I also want to point out that in many organizations in here, Tamils and Sinhalese work in harmony, as long as they keep the ethnic issue at bay. The Sinhalese visit the shops owned by the Tamils and vice versa, for their respective needs and are treated fairly.
I also heard that there is a Supermarket owned by a Tamil in a certain corner of this European country. But he employes only Sinhales students who come to here to study - an opportunity for them to earn some money while studying. The owner, it is said, does not even bother to turn up everyday, relying on the Sinhalese to run it.
There are elements - on the decline, thanks God - who try to polarize the two communities, simply to appease their own agenda. But the bond, that stems from living side-by-side for so long, transcends these negative instigations.
So, if this is not the case inside our own country, the culprits are the politicians who stir up the divisions and the extremists on both sides.
When people with a streak of fairness come to the fore, the froth of monstrous forces will take its due place.
The LTTE sympathisers with misplaced sentiments must recognize, no matter how uncomfortable it sounds, that the Prabhakaran phenomenon is a global failure: yes he did kill many and still does it; he did carry out some spectacular attacks; he ran a virtual state for decades in some part of the country.
But how did he achieve all that? He stamped out all the norms of a civilized society: sending kids on suicide missions; blatantly violating any agreement that was signed in good faith; taking all form of risks, in the hope there is someone somewhere who would come to his rescue; proving time and again that there is no word called gratitude in his vocabulary.
What has he achieved in the end? He is a public relations disaster; his organization has become a synonmym for evil; he does not make any serious effort to make it appear to be otherwise. His statements, whether on hero's day or demise of a trusted confidant, is self-contradictory and border on ridicule.
I think he may hate the Tamil diaspora as much as he hates the army, in near future, for not doing enough for him, on the brink of his extinction. He views them having a luxurious life in the West, thanks to his movement and propaganda and wants them to do more. In actual fact, they have paid him enough in the past. They have their own responsibilites to look after: kids, social duties etc.
Only thing left for VP is adding more beads to the necklace of notoriety. What motivates him to go along this track in the 21st century is still a mystery!
Sam is right, despite all the chest thumping claims by the LTTE supporters, the fact remains that the first Tamil kingdom(Jaffna) was established in 1216 AD on stolen land. Up until then the whole island was under the rule of Sinhalese kingdoms. Ancient Chinese used the term "lion island" to describe Lanka and the Syrians used the term "Sivhela".
ReplyDeleteThere are many LTTE supporters who go to great extent to even deny that there even was a people called the Sinhalese(hela) in history. Can you believe that? They believe the Sinhalese identity is a recent reaction. Better tell that the Chinese and Syrians who lived 1500 years ago.
I am not saying that all Tamils should be shipped back to Tamil Nadu. But if the LTTE supporters want a Tamil homeland, then Tamil Nadu is the place for them to go.
i highly doubt..actually i'm pretty sure that peelam will never be a reality...ltte supporters can beat thump their chests or whatever but that dream will forever be just a dream if not a nightmare...
ReplyDeleteThose fools should realize that making such a demand will only make them a further minority in those areas due to war...
all patriots of this land should get together irrespective of their political beliefs etc to get rid of the ltte terrorist scum from this planet...
very interesting comments..Many thanks.
ReplyDeleteRanil ..this EELAM matter will not end by the army liberating the north and offering a political solution to those who want to listen and accept one.this is because this EELAM matter has become a "financial issue"..money changing hands..if you know what i mean.
ReplyDeleteBlacker,
ReplyDelete"Kata boru kiwwath, Diwa boru kiyanne naha"
I compared SL & India for a tamil boy,
You equaled it to compare SL & Englend for a Sinhala boy.
This is what i was really talking about thoughts of tamils
Thanks for confirmed it.
As we know there are two types of Tamils in SL.
1.Indian Tamils / Kalla thony
2.SL Tamils / Jaffna Tamils.
Erliear (when Indian Army operate in jaffna)
there was a big different
of thinking between these two tamils regariding India
"vaithu pillaya nambinalum
vadakkaththana namba koodathu"
Now openions has changed slightly
we can't see such big different between theese two.
BTW, you didn't get the right idea about the Tamils in SL and Tamil Nadu film industry.
And i don't believe u have given the correct figure of your office staff about Murali.
Grious,
Here situation is totally different.
Very poor thinking of Indian tamils who live in SL.
LTTE = TAMILS
ReplyDeleteTAMILS = LTTE
We all laugh at the failed pathetic attempts to separate Tamils and the LTTE.
Ranil what qurious says is very true.I have heard many such stories from my friends overseas as well..There are a lot of kind tamil people overseas as well.. not just LTTE terrorists..
ReplyDeleteRanil..i think it is right to say that most LTTE terrorists overseas are financial vultures praying on the middle class tamil population overseas.The main reason they try to identify with them..
ReplyDeleteDavid Blacker,i really enjoy bloggin with u,dude-keep it going,senore!By the way,u watched the movie "the kingdom"?..it's pretty good,with the USA always winning..hmm..times could be changing,in the future,atleast!!
ReplyDeleteThankx,goldeneagle for the site!
nemesis,are u sure we are gettin the upgraded turret for our WZ551 APC'S,coz i know they are currently fitted with 25mm Giat cannons..are you sure we have got just the 12.7mm guns on our WZ551's?.this turret is the same as that fitted onto a BMP-2 as well as the BTR-80A,rite?..and can u confirm that the BTR-80 operated by us,mounts the 14.5mm Heavy machine gun,& the BTR-80A,the 30mm cannon..
Guys,stop this anti-sinhala/tamil...feelings..looks like a repeat of last years claymore attack incident in kebbitagollawa..it's an utter shame..innocent civillians having to bear the brunt of terror attacks..
""Kata boru kiwwath, Diwa boru kiyanne naha"
ReplyDeleteI compared SL & India for a tamil boy,
You equaled it to compare SL & Englend for a Sinhala boy.
This is what i was really talking about thoughts of tamils
Thanks for confirmed it."
B#1, Kata thibbata vedak na, molayak nathinam. You used the 10-year-old Tamil preferring India and I used the 10-year-old Sinhalese preferring England. So if your logic then is that Tamils support India and Sinhalese support England, good for you. Lol. I guess logic is not your strong point.
"And i don't believe u have given the correct figure of your office staff about Murali."
Really? I didn't know you had visited my offfice ;)
And I'm afraid I don't believe your stories about Tamils supporting the Indian cricket team, or your silly stories about 10-year-olds. So I guess we're even.
Qrious, are you talking about the supermarket in Dortmund, which is owned by an SL Tamil? If so, I've been there, and it has many Indian products, but lots of SL stuff too, like Mendis arrack, Gold Leaf cigarettes, Elephant House soft drinks, MD sauces, etc. Doesn't look like he's supportng India against SL as B#1 claims.
The boss,
ReplyDelete"ltte=tamils, tamils=ltte"
what are douglas devananda, kadiragamar, anandasangaree, karuna faction? Mere anomalies in ur system?
No, Renegade, I've not seen it yet, but plannning to. You might prefer Syriana then. Have you seen it?
ReplyDeleteNope,DB,dint watch syriana as yet..have to watch it.heard its good..
ReplyDeleteGuys,
ReplyDeleteWhatever the LTTE sympathaisers dream about, the permanent annhilation of the outfit is getting closer.
The issue is the mechanism, that is going to take hold in its place, so that the terror will not raise its ugly head again, not only in our life time, but in the next few generations to come.
We have to remember that the LTTE was born through a political metamorphosis, not a political mushroom - at first as established parties, then break-away factions, and taking up arms in the end.
Our politicians are going to make a mistake again, once the liberation will be over: they are of the view that the economic prosperity in the North and East will sort out everything, including the painful memories.
There will be elements who whip up sentiments to stir up things again, of course on a minor scale, that however, may snowball into a calamity, in decades to come.
If we leave everything to politicians, it is a square plug in the round hole. The clergy, civic ogranizations and individuals too, must promote the ethnic harmony and integration, while looking down on rogues who promote the opposite.
In Belgium, the heart of western Europe, there is no government to rule the country, for almost a year now; reason ? - the ethnic division of two communities. In the United Kingdom, the Scots are up in arms against the union; the Scottish nationalists are demanding independance. The recent events in Malaysia also prove the fact that economic prosperity does not gurantee living in harmony by the communities.
We all make the collective mistake of relying on politicians alone to solve our daily issues. There is a limit to what they can do - the poor fellows just become the lightning rods for everything that goes wrong.
It is high time we individuals take some burden upon ourselves in promoting ethnic harmony, in our little ways. They do count and I know a catalogue of success stories.
Many good points there qurious...let the north be liberated first..then we will take it from there..
ReplyDeleteSri Lankan
ReplyDeleteThe east has to be the first to be rebuilt. Then we can move to the north. Its a simple strategy called:
Clear - Hold - Rebuild
We must atleast bring the standard of living in the East on par the the national average.
hey boss,
ReplyDeletetwo of your colonels died in near dharmapuram due to secret explosion.this was happend last morning.,third one who injured sucuumbed today evening at private house not in hospital...why ???? why?????
thaipongal too far away
Portuguese landings? Fucking hell, Sri Lanka is far older than the 500odd years of colonial presence. Why in the world should the Portuguese landings be the 'benchmark' for deciding whether the country was one nation or not? Why don't we just go back to the time of Dutugemenunu when the whole island came under one crown. But no, we better go back only to the time of the Portuguese landings.
ReplyDeleteSri Lanka is the homeland of the the Sinhalese nation and Tamil Nadu is the homeland of the Tamil nation. Tamils in Sri Lanka are a tiny party of the Tamil nation and are a minority in Sri Lanka, that's all.
Looking at the subcontinent,
Punjabi is the homeland of the Punjabis
Maharasthra is the homeland of the Marathis
Orissa is the homeland of the Oriyas
Karnataka is the homeland of the Kannadigas
Andhra Pradesh is the homeland of the Telugus
Kerala is the homeland of the Malayalees
Tamil Nadu is the homeland of the Tamils
Sri Lanka is the homeland of the Sinhalese.
If the Tamils want to live in their homeland, then they can go and live in Tamil Nadu. Simple really. I would like to see them go to Karnataka and claim 60% of the coastline and 30% of the land area as their homeland and see what the Kannadigas say. Ditto for Maharastra and Andhra Pradesh.
Talk to any non-Tamil Indian and you will find that very few if any hold Tamils in high regard. Wonder why.
^ Sorry, I meant Punjab is the homeland of the Punjabis.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, Telugu speaking people form more than 10% of Tamil Nadu's population but only Tamil is the official language.
Tamils live as minorities in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Kerala but the groups that provide the civilisational basis for the said states are Kannadigas, Telugus and Malayalees respectively.
The Tamil language and their civilisation developed in Tamil Nadu and not in Sri Lanka. Their Anuradhapuras, Polonnaruwas, Sigiriyas, Dambullas, Ruhunas lie in Tamil Nadu and not in Sri Lanka. Their language developed and flourished in Tamil Nadu, not Sri Lanka. This is because that is their homeland and not Sri Lanka. Just like the Tamils provide the civilisational basis of Tamil Nadu, the Sinhalese provide the civilisational basis of Sri Lanka.
Even today Tamils run to Tamil Nadu when they have a problem, all their entertainment comes from Tamil Nadu. If it weren't for government restrictions that gave birth to a genuine Sri Lankan Tamil press, Sri Lankan Tamils would still only be reading newspapers and magazines from Tamil Nadu.
klingensmith
ReplyDeleteThe Portuguese came to the island on 1505 AD. Just a mere 26 years ago the whole of Lanka was under the control the Sinhala kingdom of Kotte headed by King Parakramabahu VI(god bless his soul). It was only in 1479 AD after the death king Parakramabahu VI that the Jaffna seceded because the Sinhala kingdom in Kotte went into turmoil and weakened.
The Sinhalese ruled the whole island through most of its history, thats a fact all the international hostorians accept. The Tamils were able to increase their presence in Jaffna only because it was sparsly populated by the Sinhalese. Overtime with their numbers increasing they eventually formed the Jaffna kingdom in 1216 AD.
Throughout history the Sinhalese never really fully accepted the Tamil Kingdom of Jaffna. And the reason for this is very simple, because it was built on the stolen land from the old Sinhala kingdoms. They could not do much about it because all the Sinhalese kingdoms after the 13th century were weak and divided within.
Now the LTTE claim that the NE was always the "historical homeland of the Tamils". What a joke.
Does that mean that Canada can settle its people illegally in the sparsely populated northern U.S. state of Idaho and 50 years down the line claim it to be it to be historical homeland of Canadians?
Thanks goldeaneagle for the info. You're right. What I'm trying to say is that why the hell do we need to use the Portuguese landings as the benchmark here? Is this because if not for the Portuguese and the Dutch, David Blacker the self-proclaimed burgher would not exist? Hope not.
ReplyDeleteSri Lanka is the homeland of the Sinhalese people and it has been a united country for a far longer period than many others. What is India today was never under one crown except under the British while the island of Sri Lanka has been so several times and for long periods at that.
It's funny how the so called ancient "Tamil homeland" fits neatly and exactly into the provinces set up by the Brits.
GEagle yr absolutely right..what i meant was that we need to take one step at a time confront problems this situation generates then move on to the next step.As i have said before i dont think we should be in a hurry to take wanni but encourge LTTE cadres to kill each other.Why waste our soldiers lives..for what?To do this the best way is to keep on defeating the LTTE elsewhere to create dissent within the organisation.While this is going on we should develop the east as quickly as we can and definitely hold elections there.Rest assured we have elected the correct men for the job.It is unbelieveable how much pressure the Hon Pres is under mainly due to "rule brittannia ..brittaniya rules shit".
ReplyDeleteGuys, let's treat all as Sri Lankan citizen rather than narrowing down to the language level.
ReplyDeleteThat will help us to walk long way and beat the current terror.
I think Qrious has a very good point about how all Sri Lankans work together out side Sri Lanka.
I think specially 2nd or 3rd generation of those living out side Sri Lanka are staying well away from Terror groups because most of them do not have dependents in Sri Lanka.
GEagle i just hope that JVP donkey weerawansa will support the govt on the 14th.On the other hand i suppose he will vote once the LTTE blast his house.What these 3 bombing have done is encourage more people to come to the conclusion that the LTTE should be decimated.I hope it has also encouraged more young men and women to join the army.God bless them all.
ReplyDeletePerein I have nothing against the innocent tamil citizen who is caught in the middle of this fiasco.My comments are strictly limited to the LTTE.
ReplyDeleteLet me give an example of how non-Tamils adore Tamils in India:
ReplyDeleteYou are becoming a Ravana on rediff why don't you tell your "looonigs" in Malaysia to be Ravanas there. that Motherfucker Karunanidhi needs to be shot dead between his eyes, so that he can pay for his "illicit karma"
Likes of you are treated all over the world same because of your mentality of "Yes Sirrre and Nulla Sirre". You want to be Indian when you are in trouble, you low lives don't respect Indian languages. You are stuck into your own version "idli, sambhar and loooongi" culture,Look at your leaders who doesnot even have a courtesy of wearing proper clothes while attending to this nation's business. Why don't douse yourself with kerosene and light up, that is what you guys do for your leaders, don't you? Go back and read the history of your modern day ancestors..they were stamped as "cooooolies of British Raj" so the nature of bending is very natural to you MF Tamils. Dimwats be Indian first then talk about help. Where ever you go always have the katora in your hand for hand out. Ravan ki auluad. You are Kalank on this Desh. Doob mero chulle bhar paani mein. Dingbat.
Let me take this excerpt from the above post
ReplyDelete"You want to be Indian when you are in trouble, you low lives don't respect Indian languages."
I've also seen this among the Sri Lankan Tamil diaspora. It's Tamil this Tamil that, Tamil everything without a word of Sri Lanka, until something negative in the community like murder, gang crime, prostitution, drug trficking, extortion is reported. Then it's "Sri Lankan" and Tamils are up in arms if news reports say otherwise.
Don't you people have anything better to do rather than talking about history.
ReplyDeleteI'm not at all implying that history isn't important. However, talking history will in the current context is a waste of time.
Whether you like it or not (Sinhalese), Tamils are apart of Sri Lanka. And an important and colorful part I must say! Tamils on their part must accept that their home is Sri Lanka and work with the moderate Sinhalese, Muslims and other Sri Lankans a means to co-exist while retaining our respective identity and respecting others identity.
Countries that prospered are countries those societies are diverse. Countries whose citizens with different ideals and identities integrated with each other to form a diverse societies. Societies that uphold great ideals...
"Tamils are a part of Sri Lanka."
ReplyDeleteDefinitely. But there is no "Tamil Homeland' in Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka is the homeland of the Sinhalese nation and Tamil Nadu is the homeland of the Tamil nation. Tamils are a minority in Sri Lanka, that's all.
"Countries that prospered are countries those societies are diverse."
Britain, France, Germany, Japan, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Italy?
All pretty monoethnic with one officially recognises language and one established religion (whether in the constitution or not).
klingensmith..about your last comment..yes they have one main language.But some countries "pretend" that they cater for minorities on a local basis by printing some leaflets in the native languages of the minorities.EX-Surprisingly for example in england.you dont get directions in scottish welsh or galic for that matter..They assume that all these peoples speak "english"
ReplyDeleteWell the head of state of England not only has to be Christian but Anglican at that. So not only are Catholics barred from the position but so are Muslism, Buddhists, Hindus and everyone else. In all all the Scandinavian countries including our beloved Norway the official religion is some variant of Evangelical Lutheran. When kids are born they automatically become members of the church - even if they're not Christian. Yeah, real democratic.
ReplyDeleteThe present Norwegian state church system goes back to 1536 when the Reformation in Europe led to the establishment of Lutheranism in Norway. The Norwegian Lutheran State Church, often simply called the Norwegian Church, is led by and largely financed by the state. The state continues to appoint the bishops and higher clergy. In the case of bishops the church is allowed to present its candidates, and from the list of candidates presented by the church, the state selects the new bishop. In 1984 the Norweigian state established a new church council which meets every second year and which serves as an organ to discuss various questions, including doctrinal questions, especially if these have practical effects.
ReplyDeleteThere are also quite a number of religious programmes in radio and television, but most are still Christian. Secularists and non-Christian religious minorities do not have any comparable access to the mass media, although some of the mass media, particularly those of the political left, are quite positive in their attitude to secularists.
hey, maybe we should follow the example of our beloved Norway?
Klingensmith..the true test of this multinationalism ..for a better word will come in future.According to my friend in england some members of the majority are of the opinion that all these so called asylum seekers are cogging up the system and depriving the majority of these facilities due to the lack of cash by various councils.
ReplyDeleteklingensmith..i understand your reasonning..on a more serious note we have to find our own way..
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ReplyDeleteKlingensmith,
ReplyDeleteIt took France more than 1000 years to impose French throughout its territory.
Given the current situation, dont you think its better to talk about SriLankan identity which has a 70% Singhala component.
Lanka is the land of Buddhi/Buddha. So lets use our neurones.
Today, Panama made learning Chinese obligatory in its schools because they get 1bn $ /year from Chinese ships crossing the canal. Why not consider Tamil language as an asset and use it to commerce with South India.
Did I mention anything about not learning Tamil mathematica? What I am pointing out is that Sri Lanka is not the homeland of the Tamil Nation. Sri Lanka is the homeland of the Sinhalese nation. Tamil Nadu is the homeland of the Tamil nation.
ReplyDeleteIn South India Tamil is just one language out of four major ones. The other 3 being Telugu, Kannada and Malayalam. There are other minor languages as well like Konkani (an Indo Aryan language) and Tulu. It might interest you to know that there are more Telugu speakers than Tamil speakers. Tamil is NOT a lingua franca in South India. Infact people use either English or Hindi (yes surprisingly!) to communicate with each other. You seem to be under the false impression that everyone in South India speaks Tamil.
We would do better to learn Hindi and Chinese and lets not forget English.
Sri Lanka is the home land for all Sri Lankan does not matter what ever the religion or language is.
ReplyDeleteKlingensmith,
ReplyDeleteWell said mate…
Yep, for some fcuking sankarayas here, the Portuguese landing is a watershed in our history! Well, when I say sankaryas, they can include half-ill-bred mongrels (like grandpa Blacker here) as well as someone more infamous like RW pansy, who, as we know, wanted to CELEBRATE the Portuguese landing in Sri Lanka! Imagine that…our own Vasco-de-Gama day (or some other name crap), a national holiday in SL, like the Columbus day here in the US?
Wow!
Some further clarification...
Throughout the history, the Jaffna local ruler paid subservience to sovereign Sinhela monarch of the day and he was nothing more than a local governor who collected taxes for the sovereign Sinhela monarch. Occasionally, such a local ruler would forget who the “real boss” is and would try to be a renegade, but then the ruling Sinhela monarch’s forces would march (and sail) into Jaffna and make short order of such mutiny and then peace would prevail for another period. This is what happened to the Jaffna ruler, Arya Chakkravarti. When Chakkra decided to be his own boss, King Parakramabahu of Kotte sent in his army and the navy and decimated Chakkras whole naval fleet by burning over 500 ships before defeating his rag-tag band of thugs and “removing” him from power.
“Sri Lanka is the homeland of the the Sinhalese nation and Tamil Nadu is the homeland of the Tamil nation. Tamils in Sri Lanka are a tiny party of the Tamil nation and are a minority in Sri Lanka, that's all.”
“Looking at the subcontinent,
Punjab is the homeland of the Punjabis
Maharasthra is the homeland of the Marathis
Orissa is the homeland of the Oriyas
Karnataka is the homeland of the Kannadigas
Andhra Pradesh is the homeland of the Telugus
Kerala is the homeland of the Malayalees
Tamil Nadu is the homeland of the Tamils
Sri Lanka is the homeland of the Sinhalese.”
Brilliant! Nothing more to add!
Only a rabid racist-separatist or a moron would not understand this.
Had our politicians from the beginning stuck to this type of resolute stance, I don’t think we would be in this state today…yes, the fact is too many of our Sinhela politicians pandered to the “tamil homeland” myth for various reasons (including for simple political expediency) and thereby gave the early “tamil eelamists” the nourishment they needed. If we had stuck to resolute measures like Malaysia is into today, I say we would have nipped this “Tamil homeland” crap in the bud!
“By the way, Telugu speaking people form more than 10% of Tamil Nadu's population but only Tamil is the official language.”
A good point! So, taking the position that what’s good for the goose is also good for the gander, the Telugus in Tamil Nadu should have resorted to separatist- terrorism! LMSSAO!
Sam:
“Can you go back in time little bit to Parakramabahu IV, Nissanka Malla, Prarakramabahu the Great, Vijayabahu the Great. Chola's tried to annex my homeland (yours as well) many many times and we have beaten them back. We have chronicles (not just one, multiple sources), archaeological ruins, inscriptions etc etc to support the claims…”
Well said stated mate, but I would go easy on grandpa Blacker as this kind of talk around rich, deep SL history is not for him. After all, he comes from a heritage of Sinhela persecutors (white MF Europeans and equally MF Cholas who took delight in persecuting us Sinhelas), so we really cannot expect anything else from him. He’s just an uneducated school-dropout, a dolt, partial to the WEPTS/SWETS cause, masquerading here as a “concerned Sri Lankan.” He just can’t get over the fact that today Sinhelas have gone to all corners of this planet and acquired achievements that his ancestors taught him were beyond Sinhelas…and his fury turned to rabid racism against Sinhelas and today he cannot hide it despite best efforts.
:-( :-( :-(
OaO Asithri
Perein
ReplyDelete[Sri Lanka is the home land for all Sri Lankan does not matter what ever the religion or language is.]
Fully agree.
However, when we have a rabidly racist group now talking about "Tamil homeland" nonsense, it is good to give a "gentle reminder" of some facts and figures from our history as a rebuttal for that nonsensical claim.
If not, yes, Sri Lanka is the homeland for "Sri Lankans" PERIOD!
OaO Asithri
"Sri Lanka is the home land for all Sri Lankan does not matter what ever the religion or language is."
ReplyDeleteYep. But it certainly is NOT the homeland of the Tamil Nation.
Sri Lanka is the homeland of the Sinhala Nation however.
Good points asithri. Anyone with half a brain can see that South Asia is separated into different groups of people like in Europe. What's different is that India is one entity but made up of many nation-states. Many of its states are larger than European countries. If Sri Lanka was a state of India it would be even clearer that Tamils are just a minority group, just like the Tamils in Karnataka, Kerala or Andhra Pradesh. Their homeland would be Tamil Nadu.
ReplyDeleteDefenceNet,
ReplyDeleteKeheliya Rambukwella says Killinochchi is within sight. Has he been too ambitious or realistic?
Has the mode of safe transport for the outfit atrophied down to ambulances in their heartland?
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ReplyDeleteThe way I see it, Sri Lanka is the Tamil homeland as much as it is the Sinhalese homeland or even the Muslim homeland or for that matter its the home for all Sri Lankans.
ReplyDeleteI don't however believe that there is apart of Sri Lanka that is an exclusive homeland for the Tamils. And on the same note, I don't believe that Sri Lanka is an exclusive homeland for the Sinhalese.
Going by your theory, if Tamils' homeland is Thamil Nadu, then our homeland is somewhere in North India and Sri Lanka belong to the Vaddas in that case.
This is a defence blog. As much as I respect all your views, this is not a blog to express views on who owns Sri Lanka or whatnot.
Whatever our respective past is history now. We have to talk about a future peaceful Sri Lanka. We have to get together as a nation and destroy the LTTE. The sooner the Sinhalese hardliners realize that Tamils aren't are enemy and that in fact they are our best and only weapon against the LTTE. The sooner we can destroy them.
Weapons can kill LTTE terrorist, but only the Tamil people themselves can destroy the LTTE myth. The exclusive Tamil homeland in the north of Sri Lanka myth can only be destroyed by Sri Lankan-Tamils. The Sinhalese on the other hand can only further this myth.
Stop wasting everyones time talking about homelands and think of ways to make Tamils feel that they are a part of this Country.
For those folks that challenged by previous comment, I answer your concerns later after my exam!
Let me make one thing clear to all posters here.
ReplyDeleteTamils have the right to live in Lanka. They are a part of our country.
Now, when some radicalised LTTE supporters start saying the "NE is original Tamil homeland" cr*p I have to point them out to real FACTUAL history of the island.
Its funny, these LTTE supporters are silent when it comes to talking about the people who lived in the NE before the first Tamil Kingdom was established in 1216 AD. Thats because they know that the Jaffna kingdom was established on stolen land.
ares, nope, I'm sorry but Sri Lanka is NOT the homeland of the Tamil nation. It is, however, the homeland of the Sinhalese nation. The Tamil nation numbers around 60 million people the vast majority of whom reside in the Tamil homeland of Tamil Nadu. Tamils in Sri Lanka are only very small portion of the Tamil nation and are minority in Sri Lanka. That's all. Similar Tamil minority groups reside in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Malaysia and Singapore.
ReplyDeleteThe Sinhalese as an ethnic group never came from India. There is no Sinhalese homeland in India, there were no ancient Sinhalese kingdoms there. Show me anything that even remotely suggests the existence of a Sinhalese kingdom or group of people in India. The Sinhalese as an ethnic group came into being in Sri Lanka and they have all the vedda blood in them, alongside those of people who came across the shores. The Sinhalese civilisation also developed entirely in Sri Lanka. And so too the Sinhalese language which is unique to Sri Lanka -- unlike Tamil. Tamil is an Indian language, not a Sri Lankan one even though it is spoken by many Sri Lankans. All that the Sinhalese hold dear, all their history, their literature, their language, their civilisation exists in Sri Lanka and nowhere else.
For the Tamils, all that is in Tamil Nadu -- their homeland and not Sri Lanka. That's why many Tamils have a sense that India is their "motherland." But who can blame them when their homeland lies in India?
"The way I see it, Sri Lanka is the Tamil homeland as much as it is the Sinhalese homeland or even the Muslim homeland "
ReplyDeleteSo according to the way you see it, Sri Lanka is the "homeland" of 60 million or more Tamils all over the world and Sri Lanka is also the homeland of over 1 billion Muslims the world over? It's the homeland of the Tamil who lives in Mauritius and the Muslim in Sudan?
Klingensmith:
ReplyDelete[So according to the way you see it, Sri Lanka is the "homeland" of 60 million or more Tamils all over the world and Sri Lanka is also the homeland of over 1 billion Muslims the world over? It's the homeland of the Tamil who lives in Mauritius and the Muslim in Sudan?]
Very well said mate…it is time our own not-well-informed Sinhelas (and misguided other minorities – particularly arrogant buggers - from SL) had this type of a realty check!
Yes, I agree with you that Sri Lanka is the HOMELAND OF SINHELAS as our language, SINHELA, is not found in any other part of this planet. This is a stark truth that is very inconvenient for the SWETS/WEPTS I can see as their “home-land language,” Tamil, is spoken by over 60 Million in Tamil Nadu (Translated: Tamil Nation) in India! Talk about an inconvenient truth! However, as long as no arrogant, racist & filthy bugger from a minority talks about “homelands” in a ghetto sense, I am happy to go with “Sri Lanka is the homeland of Sri Lankans” and leave it at that. Sadly, I know this is not the case...
Just another side-bar note…
In my travels worldwide (both pleasure and business) I have met many Indians from all parts of India and invariably, the conversation turns to the “Sri Lankan” issue and what amazes me is what I heard here earlier...that Tamils from Tamil Nadu are the most despised in India for their racist, ghetto, attitude. I was told (and I verified it later) that this is the only state in India that has not made learning Hindi a compulsory subject (all other states had no problem in agreeing to learn Hindi as the “Indigenous National Language”)! To them, being “Tamilian” is more important than being “Indian” except when they go outside India as then they are “proud Indians” to get job interviews etc. They despise their northern Indo-Aryan counterparts and in fact, call them derogatorively as “Hindians.” Wow! Now does this sound familiar????
Recently, one Indian honcho in a well known IT firm in San Diego asked me over dinner: “why don’t you guys just mercilessly kill all these LTTE bastards and their supporters in Shri Lanka? Why are you pussy-footing with them? Listen, you will help yourselves as well as us Indians in the long run!”…Wow!
Now that said it all to me how much SWETS/WEPTS are loved in the rest of "Mother India!"
OaO Asithri
Here's what happens to Sinhelas -in the own ancestral Homeland - when successive Sinhela politicians ignored history and pandered to the rabid, racist filthy “eelam tamils” or the WEPTS/SWETS maggots:
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This is the last era that any Sinhela is going to be killed in SL - for being a Sinhela!
Sinhelas may die of illnesss, accidents, natural causes, or by being killed by other Sinhelas or other Sri Lankans for various reasons, but this is the last era that they would be killed ONLY BECAUSE THEY ARE SINHELAS!
Our current politico-military establishment is going to change the course of our history so that we don’t end up like another group like the dispossessed Palestinians...hop on board and be with us or hop out (in which case, we will most assuredly ensure you perish with the rabid “eelam Tamil” racists!)
Racism...the root cause of millions upon millions of deaths on this planet and as such, should be abhorred most vehemently! In Sri Lanka, we are doing just that most resolutely!
OaO Asithri
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ReplyDeletesimple scene bros...
ReplyDeleteSri Lanka is the Homeland of Sri Lankans... anybody who tries to carve out any other ethnicity based homeland or whatever is an invader and should be dealt with deadly force...end of story
asithri, nice to see you being patriotic in all websites! Screw LNP and Mr. Black aka Mr. Brown. All these pro LTTErs trying to sell media, ppl like gaja jara kalu pissu woman, tigrees and many pro ltter's in LNP that never gets banned. haha now they are trying to invade here, just like they did to sri lanka! God Bless our Sri Lankan troops!!!! Kilinochiya will soon is OURS by killing that fat pig VP and the tamil ltte terrorists!!
ReplyDeleteRenegade!
ReplyDeletemate i said that a new upgread is avilable....i didnt say we are going to get it. and no its not the BMP-2 turret, its a chinese/brit type.
I have only seen 12.7mm HMGs on our wz551 so far. Which is ok for a wheeled APC, but my worry is the thin armour.
and Defencenet conf. that we do use BTR-80s and 80As.
Noltte=peace,GE,shay,David
As we spoke about a local defence industry, don't you think it is about time we started a chimical plant some where close to the coast, and atleast a small, metal work plant some were inland? I mean these two indutries would bring great benifit to SL, and would be important bothe economicaly & militaraly....right?
Noltte=peace, mate you spoke of bring in investment/capitol in to SL. evne with the hardships you spoke of cant we atleast try?
What do you guys think? What would be needd to get this goinig..leaving out politics....
thanks
I really don't know what part of my previous post suggested that Sri lanka belongs to 60 million Tamils and 1 billion Muslims. Sri Lanka belongs to all Sinhalese, all Sri Lankan Tamils, Sri Lanka Muslims and any others that are basically eligible to hold a Sri Lankan passport equally. That is what I meant.
ReplyDeleteI never said that there was a Sinhalese kingdom in northern India. However, from the literature I've read, Sinhalese are descends from Prince Vijaya, who I think came from India at some point.
I agree with Asithri. Tamils are generally a proud set of people. I'm not really sure but I think Thamil Nadu was the only state in India that wanted autonomy from India (in the 60s they wanted independence).
But there is no point in talking about who came from where or who owns Sri Lanka more. At the end of the day throwing out or killing 3.2 million people is not an option (or 1.5 million for that matter, because half the Tamils are not in Sri Lanka anymore). You cannot expect the Tamils to live by our terms. In fact you cannot expect or force anyone or any group to live by our terms. They need to be in the governing process. They should have political power. It’s their country as such as it’s yours or mine!
I'm not an LTTE supporter or sympathizer. LTTE should be militarily destroyed for any peace process. But to do that we need to give the Tamils an alternative to the LTTE. Right now LTTE is bad but people with the mind set of Asithri and Klingensmith, who unfortunately run this country are worst. So they stick to the LTTE. The day you give them an alternative that will be the start of the end of this war!
I don’t advocate peace at any cost like the UNP and Ranil Wickramasighe. I say what the president says: honourable peace! That can only be achieved by a progressive political process that runs parallel to an aggressive military process.
OK, many people here seem to have taaken vaarious comments at face value without attempting to understand their context (surprise, surprise!) so instead of answering individuals, I'll just explain a few things.
ReplyDelete1) The reason I took the Portugese landings as a timeline was because it's the most recent pre-colonial map. Yes, we can go back to Parakramabahu, or Dutugemunu, or Neanderthal Man if you prefer, but it's pointless -- SL has been divided for the majority of its pre-colonial history, and if we want to use the pre-colonial period as a roadmap for partition (and I never suggested we should, SL asked if it was a goood idea) we should taake the point at which foreign intervention changed the SL landscape.
2) This whole "homeland" business y'all seem to have got caught up in, is merely a label, and one created by the LTTE. Y'alll are arguing semantics instead of looking at the problem. The Tamils never asked for a "homeland" -- the LTTE did. Many of y'all are still falling for the Tiger propogaanda line that the LTTE is the voice of the Tamils. All the Tamils asked for was self-determination; when that was refused, the Tigers (and other groups) demanded the separate state and created the "homeland" concept. Sri Lanka is the homeland of ALL Sri Lankans. The homeland of the Sinhalese ('cos as Klingensmith says, the entity came into being on the island and not from some Aryan dreamland), the homeland of the SL Tamils (because they too came into being here, and are distinct from Indian Tamils or Malaysian Tamils), the homeland of the Moors & Malays (who are different from North Africans and Malaysians), and finally, the homeland of the Burghers (who also came into being here in SL , and who are distinctly different from the Europeans they are descended from).
As for Ponne Arsithri, who seems to cling to any anti-Tamil, anti-UNP argument suggested by others (since he has no original ideas of his own), I'll refrain from responding to the personal atttacks in the vain hope the DefNet will actually do something about it in accordance with the recent poll. Won't hold my breath while I wait, though :)
Defencenet,
ReplyDeleteTodays defence article in the Daily Mirror says that the LTTE finally used their elite Charles Anthony brigade to mount large scale attacks on the SLA in the Mannar sector. It says that casualties were very high (to both Charles Anthony brigade and regular LTTE) and over 60 LTTE were killed (not sure how many of them from Charles Anthony). Can you elaborate a bit on this when you have time.
Nemesis,
Agreed about a local defence industry. I think we had a chemical plant in Paranthan before the war. SL currently doesn't have an integrated steel mill, but we do have many steel rolling mills including the CHICO plant. Most of these import basic iron/steel ingots and roll it into various things, mostly bars used for construction, but should be capable of doing sheet metal etc that would be needed by manufacturing industries.
As far as building a local defence industry, I think all the different elements that are necessary to manufacture a wide range of defence products are already there (with lots of different private sector companies), what you need is a state/military agency to co-ordinate/R&D and design the products. The manufacturing of components can be subcontracted out and final assembly would probably have to be done by the state company. I think in India DERA is the agency which performs this role. Something like that is necessary because we don't have any existing defence companies which can undertake the task, except for Colombo Dockyard to some extent (they can definitely be made to do more with their engineering expertise).
david becker,
ReplyDelete/* This whole "homeland" business y'all seem to have got caught up in, is merely a label, and one created by the LTTE.
*/
Well, not quite. It was invented by S.J.V Chelvanayagam during independence. He formalised the idea in Vuddokaddai resolution before 1977 elections. Although its called, "Homeland" it was for all intents and purposes a separate country for Tamils only and where Sinhalese would not even enjoy equal citizenship rights (Read the resolution). After Tamil Politicians invented the idea never heard of before, the crude beach boys from Velvetitrai picked up the "homeland" baton and started running with it.
Shay,
ReplyDeleteAgreed, the MOD has to set up a proper directorate to do R&D work and coordinate and control gov. and other pvt. Sector groups defense related R&D and Manufactory.
As for the steel, sheet pressing and casting plant is vital, also a precision tooling plant to make the not so crude stuff, like primers/fuzes, rifled barrels etc.
A good glass manufacturing plant could also come in handy. not to mention electronics.
The Dockyard can be used more productively. And SL desperately needs a new dry dock (a big ones at that!) facility. The four the CDL have currently are no longer than 263m in length and only one is a building dock. I hope the new ship yard the gov has in mind would come up soon, with a good production team.
I saw that the SLAF spokesman has been sent to Pakistan as the defence attaché, hope he can get some technology transfer from POF, AWC and places like HIT, Integrated Dynamics.
India might find that un palatable.. but cant help, if India dose not help we have to look else where. Bulgaria and Australia could also be wooed in to helping us..
but it would take a ton of diplomacy, reassurance and good HR record (especially with Aussis) :)
Nemesis
ReplyDeleteI don't remember the exact details, but several months ago, Sri Lanka and Iran signed a MoU to set up an steel or Iron plant in Lanka.
Hi Panhinda.. where do i find the content of this viddukoddai resolution..The moment that kind jaffna mayor alfred duriappa was murdered...the govt should have taken notice...but wait they were more interested in apple farms in australia..The TULF like us have a lot to answer for..
ReplyDeleteThis CFA was good because it brought some stability and a drop in the dreded COLiving..But the question is..for how long would it have lasted?..Till VP bought mig 29s?.So we would have got into an arms race which we could ill afford..
ReplyDeleteNemesis and Shay
ReplyDeleteI think we should start out small when developing a local arms industry. One step at a time.
UAVs, artillery shells, motar shells, ammo, IFVs, rockets and patrol ships are hardware that we can start producing in the next 5 years, that is ofcourse if our government took the right steps to implement this.
What is happenning in SLanka is every white coolie(civil servants-not tourists)from europe is popping over to SLanka to give her "fish 'n' chips" opinion about something she studied on her way to SLanka..couple of hours on the plane u know..before a kip..This is like me going to NYork and instructing the UN what they should do soon after i register at a hotel of course.It is incredible..
ReplyDeleteNemesis and Shay
ReplyDeleteOne product that our defence industry can start producing in a short time is SLAT(cage) armor for our IFVs, because it is a very simple concept. It will give our IFVs better protection from the RPGs. Plus it also helps the IFVs don better camouflage. Here is a pic and IFV fitted with SLAT armor.
http://www.mainandcentral.org/home/
mainand/public_html/stryker_050101
a_0ntyoa2005-01-31.jpg
We can also venture into producing NERA armor blocs for our IFVs and battle tanks.
What do you guys think?
Pinhinda, if you had read my earlier posts, you would've noted that I mentioned the fact that the SL Tamils voted for a separate state at the time of independence. A "homeland" in the present context is one that is promoted by the LTTE.
ReplyDeleteNemesis,
ReplyDeleteWith regard to CDL, I guess the existing 100m building dock would be sufficient for the current requirements, as we first have to build some naval OPVs/corvettes before we build anything bigger than 100m.
What I meant was, that CDL also has extensive engineering experience designing/fabricating all kinds of things apart from ships. This can be put to better use. For example, I think in the past they built some Unibuffel APC's for the SLA.
Cheap APC's are an urgent need because a lot of casualties are from mine attacks against tractors/buses carrying troops. The SLA I guess can only manufacture a very limited number of Unibuffels a year, because they would have a very small workshop at best. If they worked with CDL, they could probably manufacture more using their facilities.
Another example is Micro. If they can make/assemble luxury SUVs/cars in SL (with 30-50% local value addition) it will be very easy for them to design and build lightly armoured military jeeps/trucks (something like a local version of a hummer), with an imported engine/chassis and the rest fabricated locally. This would save loads of forex which is spent on all those imported TATA/Mahindra jeeps/trucks.
So, there is a lot that can be done even with the existing resources in SL. What is needed is commitment by the MOD and a state/military agency to co-ordinate the the whole process.
GE,
ReplyDeleteAgreed. Something like that can be very easily fabricated by any number of local companies.
Shay
ReplyDeleteManufacturing SLAT armor is so easy. I think the MoD should definately take a serious look into start producing these SLAT armor kits for our IFVs and APCs. The technology behind is so simple.
Does anyone have any recent news of the yala operation.?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.colombopage.com/archive_07/December6150712CH.html-This makes me so happy..so happy.. i dont know why
ReplyDeleteHere is a picture with a BTR-80 with SLAT armor:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.strategypage.com/
military_photos/20061260.aspx
Klingensmith : Sri Lanka is NOT the homeland of the Tamil nation. It is, however, the homeland of the Sinhalese nation.
ReplyDeleteKlingensmith ,
There can only be one nation in Sri Lanka, the Sri Lankan Nation. Singhala, Tamil, … are the peoples composing it.
There can be no Tamil nation in Sr Lanka . If you accept a TN in SL, you are supporting the idiot VP.
Singhala language belongs to Indo-Aryan group of languages which all derive from Sanskrit/Pali. If you are Singhala speaking you can master Hindi in 2 weeks!
Tamil is the root language of South India and if you know Tamil you can master all the southern languages with ease.
To be born human - Tamil or Singhala - is not a crime. We as the majority, must make Tamil speakers born in SL feel at home. However, the superiority complex built into Tamils by the Brit colonial masters has no place in SL. Study how the Thais are integrating Chinese into the Thai Nation. May the King Bhumipal live long!
I repeat again, There can only be one nation in Sri Lanka, the Sri Lankan Nation. Singhalas, Tamils, … are the peoples composing it.
Defencenet,
ReplyDeletePlease update us about the ground situation in Vanni; everyone is eager to know what is going on. We are impatient to be in the dark, when the front is going through a very active phase.
Is the cyanide capsule that hangs around VP' neck, at last, going to find a useful purpose in due course?
qurious..the cyanide capsule could be filled with sugar.every thug who sends innocents to die is scared of dying himself.
ReplyDeleteSrilankan,
ReplyDeleteYou are right; he has never led any battle from the front, according to Karuna. He has always been suspiscious of his subordinates, according to him and had been even shaking in the face of potential threats to his life.
It is interesting to see how he is going to evolve from hero to zero, in the coming days.
I am pretty sure he is going to prove that Charles Darwing got his concept wrong!!!
VP will defy it by evolving from one extreme to the other in a short period of time, not in millions of years.
Mostly Quiet On The Eastern Front
ReplyDeleteDecember 7, 2007: Fighting continues to grow more intense in the north, with there being several hundred casualties on some days. The LTTE mainly attacks government check points, which tend to be prepared for this sort of thing. The army goes after LTTE defensive positions (trenches and bunker complexes). The LTTE are suffering 4-5 casualties for every soldier killed or wounded. There are occasional clashes in the east, but most of the action is in the north, where the LTTE is short of food, medicine, ammo, morale and just about everything else.
December 6, 2007: In the north, LTTE terrorists used a claymore mine to hit a bus with hundreds of steel balls. Sixteen civilians were killed.
December 4, 2007: Over 90 percent of the nearly 3,000 Tamils arrested recently in the capital, were released. But several hundred were evicted from the capital, and sent north to Tamil areas. The police continue to search for the LTTE terrorists who set of the two bombs in the capital recently.
December 1, 2007: In response to the two suicide bombing in the capital, police have been searching Tamil neighborhoods in the area, and arresting those who were not supposed to be there. The LTTE has been fighting hard up north, to breach the government lines, and send terrorist teams south. Most of the terrorists are getting through as civilians, so the army is restricting those movements as well. There is much anger among the majority Sinhalese, at these LTTE terrorist attacks.
Qurious..here is a joke for you..read this
ReplyDeletehttp://www.colombopage.com/archive_07/December7124019JR.html
can you think of a good questions to ask him
News?
ReplyDelete17 terrorists killed and over 18 wounded - Mannar
http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20071207_04
Tangara, thanks for the update; you are a constructive contributor to this blog and I am an admirer.
ReplyDeleteSrilankan,
Thanks for the link;
"Kapanna bari atha imbinawa" in sinhala echoes well, I suppose.
Guys, the above is a private exchange between myself and Srilankan. Please excuse us for the mild distraction.
yep,goldeneagle/guys we should earnestly start building up a local arms industry-its about time..we have taken a step forward,by building/assembling the UNICORN MK-4/5 APC's,which are the local version of the South African Buffels..also,our dockyard(CDL),has won export orders for patrol vessels for the maldives..true,orders are small,but thats the way to go..probably iran could help us to develop small arms,light & medium mortars,howitzers,& of course MBRL's..
ReplyDeletevery well said qurious..Now he has a real problem.His problem is that the govt has the eastern province and he knows that they are going to genuinely develop it this time round.
ReplyDeletedefencenet,guys- wikipedia shows that we operate 240 BMP-2's,12 BMP-1's & 36 BMP-3'S!!. are these figures realistic,or not?
ReplyDeleteqrious,
ReplyDeleteSorry , It wasn't entirely my words...It was from another blog...
But I thought we should see the big picture in front of us by using all available resources..
The picture is too bleak for the LTTE at this moment in time.
I left a post in defencewire though was entirely mine....
Thanks both Tangara and Srilankan.
ReplyDeleteGuys, I am a bit worried about pinning all our hopes on economic miracles. Yes, the development of both North and East is long overdue.
Will that address the every facet of frustration of the Tamil communities? I doubt it.
Some of the grivences stem from what I call social cruelties: the rigid caste system, centuries-old regionalism and the concept of dowry, to name but a few.
These are not the issues created by the majority nor did we contribute to those aspects, in any shape or form.
The disproportionate number of female suicide cardres illuminate this factor a little, as they are always at the receiving end.
Once upon time, there was an infamous myth that all women suicide bombers were rape victims of the armed forces. We don't hear it anymore, as it is not simply true.
A female suicide bomber recently disclosed why she took that drastic step, on interrogation: she had been raped by her own father and then dumped by the relatives as an individual without a value.
The polio victim who blew up recently may have been in a similar situation, at least economically, due her obvious handicap.
For a Tamil girl, the dowry issue is a real nightmare: she has to give a substantial amount of money to her potential husband and then husband's family too; the larger the family, the greater the payments. That means, the parents and brothers of a family have to indulge in an eternal struggle to achieve all that.
I have quite a few Tamil friends and they told me about these facts.
So, there are a lot of breeders of frustration for the Tamil community. If their leaders turn their back on these issues while focusing on so-called discrimination alone, they are barking up the wrong tree. Another menace will be offing, at least for the next generation.
qurious. your right..our task is to liberate the people.just imagine the poor souls in the eastern provinces have an additional problem..that is they are discriminated against by their own supposedly cleverer "jafna tamil".I have actually seen this concept in action.Now i am not saying that all the jaffna tamils are bad people.There are good people among them also.This is why it is imperative that we develop the eastern province.AS i have said many times before i want to see tamil peoples from the east,poor cities in SLanka etc competeing for jobs with the LTTE yobs overseas..
ReplyDeleteQurious..As sinhalese..we also have a big problem.So far it has been governed by people according to what they learned overseas from the "sudu mahattaya" in london.Now the reason these people dislike Hon Pres is that he is trying to redistribute the wealth of the country to ALL the peoples of SLanka.Some of these politicians think that the people of SLanka are confined to colombo and its suburbs.
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