Thursday, April 24, 2008

Heavy casualties in Muhamalai battle

Both the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) and the Sri Lanka Army (SLA) have suffered heavy casualties in the fighting that raged along Muhamalai and Kilali defence lines since yesterday (23rd) dawn. Nearly 120 SLA soldiers have either been killed or gone missing in the operation that lasted for 10 hours. 370 soldiers are reported to be wounded. Around 250 of the wounded are in P1 (Seriously wounded) and P2 (Less seriously wounded) categories. In addition to these casualties, 4 main battle tanks (excluding the T-55 that was lost on the 22nd) of the army have also sustained damage. LTTE casualties stand at 52 killed and an unknown number injured.

SLA soldiers who valiantly battled it out on a terrain which the enemy had the advantage, even managed to storm the first LTTE defence line on two fronts. The LTTE, employing a similar tactic it used back in 2006, withdrew to secondary lines and brought a large volume of artillery fire on the troops consolidating newly captured positions. It was this rain of artillery shells that caused most of SLA casualties.

230 comments:

  1. Whoever is commanding the troops in the North should be fired. So far they have failed too many times and lost too many lives. I think it's time for new military leadership in that area.

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  2. what you saying here is history is repeating!

    no comments...?

    very sad the way war is handling in this front....

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  3. Until we silence these LTTE big guns, no point advancing further...

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  4. "no comments...? "

    Until we get to know all the facts clearly we would refrain from doing so. Otherwise it will be an insult to the soldiers who laid their lives.

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  5. SLA says, 33 valient soldiers gone missing while 43 died from attacks.

    http://www.army.lk/morenews.php?id=12611

    Poorly written SLA article makes it harder to understand the contents.

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  6. Two important things SLA should consider before making a further move on Jaffna front.

    1). Silence those bloody LTTE guns..SLAF should do this..

    2). Poorly led field commanders should be moved to elsewhere.

    (Too many SLA gone missing in Muhamale)

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  7. this week has been full of setbacks,too many brave soldiers has lost their lives,may the triple gems bless there souls.

    the commander should be sent to the firing squad, he made the same mistake again, cant that motherfucker learn.

    wati wati negitimu this is nothing we can always fight back

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  8. DefenceNet,
    Did the army hold on to the newly captured line and presently there right now or did they retreat to the previous line?..

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  9. May the triple gem bless our brave troops and guide those brave souls who are no longer with us to a better place.

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  10. 130+ dead/missing according to highly placed army sources:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/04/23/srilanka.battle/

    SLA did capture LTTE's first trench-line. A video of it can be seen here :http://www.pathivu.com/?ucat=sirappu_paarvai&file=230408

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  11. http://www.pathivu.com/?ucat=sirappu_paarvai&file=23

    appears to be experiencing server overload. Keep refreshing if you really want to see LTTE's first trench-line, just behind the fence at the end of no-mans-land.

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  12. it seems the key board warriars who live outside of Sri Lanka and pretend to be insiders...dont have a clue on SL army actions

    dont wooo in to the LTTE propaganda

    the Army casuality number is 65 with all

    the injured is total 100

    that is okay!
    this was a tough battle....

    we are in teh military to die...and make sure the other bastard and his bloody friends bleed and die in the process..it is not big deal...to die for MY COUNTRY MAN!

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  13. the fucking idiots gloated after bumping a APC with a heat round

    what the F....you think

    you lose shit in war...

    see how many maaveeeers we sent to to the shit hole ...
    so OUR BROTHERS AND PISS ON THEM !

    war is war bro...so hang on ... this is about yours and my family's freedom...and our RIGHT TO EXSIST AS A NATION !

    our way of life our culture under threat from this megelo menaic cock called ppiraboolshit dog ... aka praba .......

    as long as that dog lives he wont see eelam and we will PISS on him ..

    DEATH BY BULLETT

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  14. Ogre,

    It is more than 65 dead and missing(presumed dead).

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  15. It is bad that, SLAF wasn't there when LTTE brought down artillery on their first FDL which the SLA occupied in the offensive. That was the window of oppurtunity the SLA missed.In the middle of the heavy artilery , disoriented SLA soldiers went missing.

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  16. Ogre

    where did you get that number ?

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  17. tangara said

    ....disoriented SLA soldiers went missing.

    --

    what happened to the 'missing'
    :(

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  18. Whenever SLA tried to advance from Muhamale front they received heavy casualties. In contrast SLA do well in Mannar/ Welioya fronts.

    SLA few days ago announced about offensive from muhamale. But its not clear SLA or LTTE started offensive.

    LTTE in the international front in a big push for a ceasefire and peacetalks. Thus what they need is a quick big victory. This makes the ground conditions for GSL to enter into the old CFA while LTTE get more demanding power.

    Casulaites in a war is unaviodable. (Happiness of di-ass-pora also unavoidable when SLA suffers no matter how many (tamil) tigers dead.) It seems LTTE has put their full strength to avoid SLA advnace from Muhamale.

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  19. i thought fonsy was a military genius not like his comrades before him, were'nt you guys convinced that the SLA is more trained and ready now more than before, and that these "bata slipper" wearing guys were no match for your bravehearts. So how do the superior trained army get slaughtered like this with a genius commander at the top, ohh wait i almost forgot there is a 7/11 cashier running your defence, that's two collosal fuk ups for dear gothabaya. Where are all the bata slipper jokes now?

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  20. I hate all these ltte keyboard warriors and lankan who support ltte

    listen

    most of you were born in sri lanka, probably in a government hospital funded by the racist gowernment and the equally racist sinhalese, the doctors were probably Sinhalese, and they didn't care if you were tamil or not but treated you.

    if you were sick you went a hospital and the racist doctors helped to save your pathetic life.

    everyday that you spent on sri lanka was funded by the taxpayers money.
    the food you eat was made by a poor farmer who eventually has to drink pesticide, cos the war you caused, made him poor.

    but then you forget all these things and decide that they all should die.
    you lot are the most ungrateful fuckers on the earth, you are just like the Somalian and paki refugees who come to england, after they feed off the taxpayers money, they decide to blow themselves up and kill them.

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  21. just shut the fuck and stop spreading your bullshit,

    and if you love your sun god so much why dont you go to the battlefields to fight for him

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  22. Poorly written SLA article makes it harder to understand the contents.

    These null reportings by dambasses is also an insult to the brave young souls who made the supreme sacrifice.

    Till some dedicated village boys take over the effective command of the three forces, nothing will change.

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  23. Whatever is happening at the war front, the tiger connections are putting pressure in UK and in EU to force SL for a ceasefire. So they can’t be that victorious? Time will tell. They will never win this battle against the superior numbers of the security forces.GOSL must block the weapons and other logistics that is still getting to Vanni.Must be more vigilant and looks like and sadly some have escaped the Maduhu siege.

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  24. Srilanka,

    In my school days, I had a friend who was always humble(nihathemani) and said how little he knew. Most others were Param Kokas who knew every thing. However, at every crucial exams, our humble fellow came first.

    Only one who knows very little, says he knows everything. It applies to military tactics also.

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  25. Mathemathica,
    I know what you mean.However i think the main problem here is that we dont have all the facts except "wee hours" and "stiff resistance".Any 5 yr old can see this simple LTTE tactic which is just common sense.I have this feeling that the airforce came to the rescue of the forces too late if at all

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  26. DefenceNet,

    We are waiting for more information from you on this operation. Meanwhile, I should say that the lives of my brothers are more precious to me than 1/2 km of land stretch. I am amazed that we repeating the same attack style when we know that all of the tera arty are pointed in this direction, without taking adequate preventive measures, i.e. SLAF MiGs already airborne with HISAR, fire finders are already pointed towards K-point etc.

    Anyway, we are waiting to find more pertinent and unmassaged information from you.

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  27. defensenet,..your lax attitude towards ppl like upul, the boss, and other previouse time wasters have now culminated in them thinking they are more than human,or that the SLA soldiers who died are sub-human.

    allow me to quote as a reminder for any1 who missed the post by

    "The Boss" --

    "I JUST WANKED OVER THE PICTURE OF DEAD SLA BODIES.

    April 24, 2008 3:55 AM"

    defensenet, silence for the sake of tolarence is admirable,and noble.a concept lost on some ltte supporters.right now ur passive tolerance is being taken as a weakness on ur part.much like the story of srilanka today.

    nip it in the bud.kick them out.

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  28. Vibe n Lankaputhra: Stop reacting... and calling for firing people! Be proactive.

    Stop believing LTTE propaganda you all.. even CNN and AFP (brainless muts... who have no idea about the ground situ & support the LTTE most of the time) are quoting the LTTE Terrorist not the Legitimate SL Gov and ministry of defense... wish they quote Al-Quida instead of the US army figures! Freaking idiots!

    Last count SL Army: 43 Dead (5 have circumb to injuries later and previous 38), 33 missing, some have remained in the battle field (some may be dead), 120 injured.

    LTTE: 100+ dead

    It was not as bad as 2006 since the army did not blindly advance following the fleeing terrorists and also they did not allow any flanking moves like the last time. It is open ground so you have to expect high casualties. Furthermore running at fortified defences and heavily mined areas will invariably cause casualties. It's a high price to pay, but this is war.

    PS: The Army did not start an offensive they only smothered the LTTE offensive and then advanced to the LTTE 1st line of defense. The Army did not withdraw from what I have heard, and they hold the old LTTE 1st line.

    DON'T FALL FOR LTTE PROPAGANDA LIES

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  29. 'I WANT TO DRINK MORE SINGALA BLOOD, PERHAPS IN BARRELS.'

    You wish! Why then that the fat pig that fathered you is begging IC to intervene? Why these LTTE coolies busy kissing the feet of Norwegians?

    The retaliation for this will be unthinkable...

    Have patience.

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  30. Defencenet I got a question:

    Whats the difference between anti-armour RPG shells
    and anti-personnel RPG shells?

    Aren't RPG shell to tackle Tanks and APC? Whats this anti-personnel RPG? I didn't know RPG can be used on troops!

    Thanks!

    And Please lets end this war and talk! Lets divide the country so that we can both live in peace!

    Please! We must stop our boys from dieing for the Political objectives!

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  31. May be some of you Keyboard Generals should simply shut-up...

    This is not "Helo 2" or "God of War" or "DeltaForce" or "F-22 Flight" Simulator, this is real war, real lives, real flesh and blood, and there is no program code that says if (x>0) then y = 10, it is human judgment, human emotions and human reactions.

    Stop passing judgment on our valiant solders and stop disrespecting the solders who have laid their life so that you fellows can sit in front of your PC and bitch about everything.

    Support our brothers and sisters in the battlefront or else just keep shut about things you don't know scat about!

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  32. this story is the most popular on the cnn world news. ' Sources: Tigers' feint kills 100 Sri Lankan troops' Certainly not the best of titles either. A couple of shit-brained commanding officers = so many of our soldiers' precious lives gone + international shame + unnecessary propaganda source for tigers

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  33. Hi Everyone,

    It is a very sad moment for all of us. But as "Ogre" said.. this is war. So each side has to suffer. That's the basics of the war.

    Anyway, I just can't understand, what on earth "THE BOSS" could say such a disgrace things for another human being. If that's what we call Tamils, They are not human beings but BLOOD SUCKING LEECHES!!! What disgrace for the whole Tamil Nation.. SHAME ON YOU SICK BASTARD!

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  34. and hakim,
    'Support our brothers and sisters in the battlefront or else just keep shut about things you don't know scat about!'

    No, we too have a right to complain, especially when we see things are repeating over, and lessons not learnt from past mistaes. I got a cousin in the army, whos serving as a captain in the peninsula (he didnt take part in this offensive, thank god), and why the fuck should people like him waste their lives becos of some other person's mistake?. When a battle is carried out and the soldiers lives are at risk, one would expect that its done with a good purpose and clear objectives - either capture land and/or cause max enemy casualties. Neither happened here. And foreplan to minimize our casualties. Didnt happen either.

    Its obvious tigers always fall back to their heavy artillery and mortar launching pads when a big offensive is made in the National front, cos they are dug in so well. Then, why the hell not get the UAVs and fighters to do the needful during the battle?

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  35. Defencenet, so did we consolidate our positions or did they retake what was lost?

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  36. @ jay raman,

    of all countries in the world which host a tamil population, why do you believe srilanka should be the one to
    create a seperate country for the purpose of tamil eelam?.

    that too, in an atmosphere of die hard terrorism?,... why not india? you cause is half way there,with the state of tamil nadu,why not demand a home country there?..why not aussie?,...malaysia?,logically you would find a better reception in a country not accustomed to 30yrs of ltte terrorism.

    look around you, in this blog,..how the ppl hav responded to thiru,upul, the boss, and the like... now compare that with the responses you recieved,..do you see
    the difference?...its called respect.its no different in srilanka.regardless of ethnicity, you act like an arse-you get treated as an arse.this might be a shock to you but,sinhalese were never against tamils.only against ltte.
    why?...bcz this country, our country is burning for one mans ambition - VP.
    maybe its time you ask your self whether you choose to be aknowledged as a tamil, or a srilankan.

    how can any moderate accept that the ltte is the sole representative of tamils when they silence tamil opposition by killing their own??

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  37. It’s a failed operation. 120+ dead. 400 injured with 250 of them either seriously injured or more injured than “walking wounded”.

    About 7 AFVs destroyed/damaged

    LTTE is holding on to their positions.

    There is no sense in splitting hairs over it. WE LOST THE BATTLE, FULLSTOP.

    For some LTTE pigs this is a “victory” for the SLA!! They want more such “victories” for the SLA by following similar strategies.

    But the important thing is to LEARN from it at least now. The 2006 & 2007 similar debacles in the same place were played down by the MoD and they continue with the SAME blunder over and over and over again.

    This is only one battle; there will be dozens of battles ahead. We should learn and move forward.

    What have we learnt?
    1. LTTE is very capable of raining artillery on advancing troops from the safety of over 20km – 27km.
    2. there is NOTHING the advancing troops can do to protect themselves from artillery barrages in this terrain
    3. yesterday’s battle was decided on the strength of fire power and NOT manpower
    4. the real battle is to take on the LTTE artillery.
    5. from present SLA FDLs we cannot reach LTTE artillery
    6. SLAF is better suited to bomb these long range LTTE big guns
    7. first we must identify LTTE arti. Positions; these are changing and real-time data on these positions is a must
    8. then we should destroy these positions
    9. their destruction should also be filmed
    10. new artillery build-up should also be identified and destroyed
    11. Supply routes of arti. Shells, etc., etc. should also be monitored and bombed
    12. Essentially monitoring and bombing should be very closely co-ordinated. If possible should be done by the same aircraft
    13. A radius of 20km from LTTE arti positions should be marked and if the circle is falling in the sea, the possibility of SLN involvement must be considered. On land area, the possibility of fast deploying MBRLs, our arti. Guns must be considered.
    14. The battle should be analysed also from the pov of the LTTE. Since they won it they will want to copy it again and again.
    15. This time the threat of LTTE anti-tank guys was lesser compared to the threat of arti. Barrage. However, the good work we did to face such an eventuality must be maintained.
    16. those responsible for this debacle and the 2006 & 2007 debacles MUST be identified and handled appropriately. Otherwise we will see another one very soon.
    17. SLAF’s ability to engage LTTE arti. Positions DURING a battle must be increased. LTTE cannot hide their arti. Underground during yesterday’s battle!!!!

    SLDF’s capabilities in identifying and destroying LTTE arti positions on a timely basis will be the biggest contributing factor in winning the war. MoD should immediately get into building this capability.

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  38. DN,

    As per your earlier posts LTTE is suffering shortage of Arti Ammo?!Then how come they were able to brought in that much fire power?

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  39. My heart is with these poor soldiers who joined the army to feed their families. But they were killed by the politician's desires and keyboard warriors like Asithiri and his followers.




    Possible defences for you guys:

    1. These images have been manipulated

    2. if 40 soldiers were killed definitely 400 LTTE should have been killed

    3. or publish a news Beema-8 base overrun 500 terrorists were killed

    4. reason for failure is either without Air support or IT support or moral support .

    5.It happens in War

    6.Its all false claims, we are 1.8021 km from the Elephant Pass

    7. Ignore these LTTE ass lickers

    8. I have got go my patriots

    9.What about East


    I think its enough

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  40. Amazing how SLA got into the trap again and sacrificed so many lives similar to previous occation. Same place, same strategy, same result. Only in Sri Lanka.

    When are we going to learn? Why not SLAF or SLN involved in these operations? This is the flat terrain without civilian settlements. If LTTE can direct arti, why can we do the same? Are tigers militarily superior? Are they better strategists? Eitherway, we better change our tactics. defence.lk will try to spin. But, army got beaten pretty bad. I feel really bad at this moment.

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  41. DN,

    If LTTE able to fire at SLA when they trying to advance,why they are not firing at SLA FDL's which is also in range of their Arti?
    Is there any specific reason for that?

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  42. What type of Arti Guns & Mortars LTTE & SLA using?
    How many guns LTTE having?

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  43. The SLA website is a disgrace (so are the other gov. websites) to our nation, almost every sentence they write has got grammatical errors.

    This is one of the sites that foreign news agencies refer for authentic information, and for them Sri Lanka must look like nation made up of illiterates.

    PLEASE fire the unmitigated baboons who write/edit this incomprehensible drivel and hire a couple of school kids who could do a better job.

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  44. I said this yesterday.

    "With the advent of guided missiles and advanced helicopters, the tanks will have a poor chance of survival in large scale conventional warfare between nations. The Iraqi war, were we witnessed the almost complete annihilation of the Iraqi tanks is a good example for this. However, since US has the air superiority, they will keep using tanks for a while."

    And today, we have this. We could not even defend our guys despite having air superiority, what a disgrace. What is the point of buying equipment that is worth millions of dollars if SLAF does not use it when needed? I think it is time to think about having a dedicated air wing for the army.

    I know in a war, loosing a couple of tanks and life is not such a big deal. But today, it was a damned waste.

    For me, more than anything, this debacle looks like an intelligence failure. Def.Wire said that the army was surprised by the volume of artillery fire that came our way; and this for me, is an indication that poor intelligence.

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  45. Asithri bro.,

    Any internal news?
    Like to read some sane (and thoughtful) words for a change.

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  46. So since we did not anticipate a heavy arti barrage, the SLA probably went ahead with the operation without letting the SLAF know.

    SLAF was probably not informed to reduce a possible leak of sensitive information, but still the manner in which our guys are sacrificed, when no major objectives are achieved, is unforgivable.

    If there are problems with information leaks, it is high time that all three forces do a series of counter espionage operations before gallivanting on major operations.

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  47. to take EP

    need simultaneous beaching on two fronts and flanks

    keep main thrust b/c if you advance over muhamali A9 -- you get squeezed and whooped.

    and some air mobile tricks to take out EP fire support bases (which we already have)

    get those birds (mig 29) in the sky and bring on the RAIN!

    LTTE expects this~
    SLN better help out
    the fucks backed out of Jayasikuru with airforce which lead to total collapse of their defenses lead to holes wide open with arty


    landing sites can be poonaryan / 5 km behind nagarkovil ltte fdl
    4 miles mainland

    1000 units in each ops can do it
    + support units

    LTTE just directed arty on to a 5000 strong unit that was concentrated in to 1 mile trench,

    so now we got 200 casualities (of course enemy wont say how many of theirs got bumped, we saw 62 confirmed and another 36 more blown to bits on two air operations.

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  48. Hakim

    [Stop believing LTTE propaganda you all.. even CNN and AFP (brainless muts... who have no idea about the ground situ & support the LTTE most of the time) are quoting the LTTE Terrorist not the Legitimate SL Gov and ministry of defense... wish they quote Al-Quida instead of the US army figures! Freaking idiots!]

    Very well said mate…it is high time some of us here, the quick to get demoralized type, started believing the LTTE for what it is – a very efficient terrorist outfit with an equally efficient propaganda machine!

    SLA casualties? Yes, but to this degree? NO! DO NOT BELIEVE LTTE PROPAGANDA! IF YOU DO, SHAME ON YOU AS THE LTTE'S LAUGH IS ON YOU!

    OaO Asithri

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  49. some comments posted here are very disgusting

    YUK !

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  50. PLEASE UNDERSTAND!

    LTTE has a well oiled propaganda machine (they have invested $$millions in it, compared to chicken-feed by our own GOSL for its own) to assure continuous churning out of false propaganda as to a terra/guerilla outfit, the propaganda arm is as important as the combat arm that carries guns/explosives.

    LTTE’s propaganda today would make Dr. Gobbles’ most convincing false propaganda look like a child’s play, with all the digital manipulative technology at its fingertips!

    I for one, dismiss as simply ka-ka the high SLA casualty number stated in pro-LTTE sites and I will never ever succumb to that type of trickery. I called SL today and did get a rather somber picture, but is it this bad, NO, I say it is far from it!

    However, admittedly, yes, this appears to be a heavy casualty incursion for the SLA, but the fact also remains it has been a heavy toll on the LTTE bastards/bitches. Realistically speaking, we have lost between 100 – 120 KIA (including MIA, presumed dead), and the LTTE have lost a similar number.

    I know what gets some of you “by the balls” is the fact that here we have a KIA/WIA ratio that is either similar or identical to, or even may be marginally higher than to that what the LTTE suffered as we have been used to KIA ratios of around 1:20 in our favor for quite some time now (in a totally different war theatre, a mostly jungle/scrub terrain, compared to this flat-land terrain). In a flatland, it is a known fact, since time immemorial, that the attacking force has the substantive disadvantage and as such, must be prepared to face the higher casualty.

    I will write more, but in stages as I am in between doing something urgent for tm am…

    OaO Asithri

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  51. rover,

    c'mon man why assume no arti. fire from LTTE just because they were not forthcoming?

    in the past they allowed SLA to "walk into the trap" and fired arti.

    no difference this time.

    SLAF has very rarely provided ACTIVE air support to SLA.

    how SLAF operates is first they identify targets by air, ground sources. establish/select targets. give the targets to Mi-24s and jets. then they carryout the DESIGNATED attack ONLY.

    SLAF is not allowed to seek targets and destroy. Mi-24s can do this and Kfirs and MiG-27s also can. i'm not that sure about F-7s.

    according to reliable sources the arti. rain has started at around 5 am and lasted till 1030am (thereafter the intensity has dropped) although intermitant regular arti. have been falling from the day before.

    if 20 launchers were firing at the rate of 1 shell every 3 minutes, they would have used up over 2000 shells.

    SLAF bombed at 1330. the delay was 8 and a half hours.

    another option is for jets to hover in the area accompanied by a surveillence craft connected by communication. attack and hang around for more real-time instructions.

    until fuel lasts of course. but that is a considerable time and jets can take turns.

    i suggest to exploit the possibility of permanantly (with turns) keeping hot-air balloons over this area hovering over 2500 metres that can avoid machine gunfire, RPG and SAMs. observers with telescopes and communication equipment should be kept.

    if this can be done even a few arti. shells can be kept and simply dropped on LTTE arti. positions. never mind the accuracy %

    at over 3000 metres, oxygen tanks are needed. hazards of wind and cold need to be overcome.

    humans will have to do the intelligence gathering using not so expensive equipment. this was a WW1 strategy but suits the SL battle as the LTTE has no ability to control its skies.

    it is low cost, long lasting and i'm sure do-able and a physics prof. (from a university outside SL) agrees with me.

    but MoD's MED and R&D are not even willing to listen. a brigadir told me that MED, R&D will NEVER do ANYTHING as they like it thatway. He said they are DETERMINED not to do ANYTHING. may be the once-bitten-twice-shy syndrome.

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  52. Moshe,

    "c'mon man why assume no arti. fire from LTTE just because they were not forthcoming?"

    Dood, read properly what I said. I said Def.Wire said that the army was surprised by the heavy volume of fire. This means that the army assumed there would be little arti fire. So this seems like an intelligence failure.

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  53. Moshe,

    this is what def.wire said.

    "The Sri Lanka Army's advance towards Kilali and Muhamalai LTTE FDL (originally 2nd FDL) managed in the capture of the LTTE's 1st FDL but were surprised by a heavy volume of artillery and mortar attacks launched by Tigers from LTTE areas."

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  54. Back to the fracas… (lol)

    Yes, SLA has “inordinately high” casualties from this, but does that mean we have lost either strategic (or even tactical) advantage? No, hardly!

    I know high SLDF casualties grabs us by our inner organs….but

    what many of us don’t realize is that given the LTTE’s meager population base (that it can draw recruits from; remember it takes almost 12/13 years for a Tamil newborn in Vanni to come up to the level that LTTE will force recruit him/her to carry a gun) compared to ours where we are not in a “meager” population base, our superior firepower including lethal delivery from the air compare to what they have, our heavy ground armor compared to what they have, etc. the LTTE mf’s need to have a CONSISTENT kill ratio of 20:1 in their favor if they can ever hope to form “thamileelam” and sustain it for even one week!

    This was a deduction based on a mathematical/forecasting model done by some of my buddies from Stanford in my organization (non Sri Lankans) and it says a lot.

    However…

    I am truly disappointed with our own DefenseNet for even publishing these unconfirmed and outrageous casualty figures that are no different to what the LTTE propaganda arms like the TamilNet have put out.

    Tamilnet is even rich with pic’s for God sake! Remember – a pic is worth a thousand words? Even Gobbles knew that! So, what are those pics? When were they taken? Who are in those pics? Is this not another “dead Iraqi” type of falsehood? etc. etc. These are questions I guess intelligent people ask, but I guess some of us have the knack of swallowing hook, line and sinker and then after getting our knickers twisted around our ankles, making totally demoralizing statements to morally help out the terrorist maggots!

    Just yesterday the LTTE said they had perished a MBT and even many sites like our own here published it as the gospel truth (I remember even questioning it specifically yesterday) – only to be confirmed today that NO, it was NOT a MBT, but an APC/ATV! See what I mean about jumping the gun – to help out the terras?

    :( :( :(

    OaO Asithri

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  55. Hakim said...

    Vibe n Lankaputhra: Stop reacting... and calling for firing people! Be proactive.

    Stop believing LTTE propaganda you all.. even CNN and AFP (brainless muts... who have no idea about the ground situ & support the LTTE most of the time) are quoting the LTTE Terrorist not the Legitimate SL Gov and ministry of defense... wish they quote Al-Quida instead of the US army figures! Freaking idiots!

    Last count SL Army: 43 Dead (5 have circumb to injuries later and previous 38), 33 missing, some have remained in the battle field (some may be dead), 120 injured.

    LTTE: 100+ dead

    It was not as bad as 2006 since the army did not blindly advance following the fleeing terrorists and also they did not allow any flanking moves like the last time. It is open ground so you have to expect high casualties. Furthermore running at fortified defences and heavily mined areas will invariably cause casualties. It's a high price to pay, but this is war.

    PS: The Army did not start an offensive they only smothered the LTTE offensive and then advanced to the LTTE 1st line of defense. The Army did not withdraw from what I have heard, and they hold the old LTTE 1st line.

    DON'T FALL FOR LTTE PROPAGANDA LIES


    ---------------

    Hakim

    So SL army/MCNS/government numbers are right ???

    DN's numbers are wrong ?

    so DN is also spreading
    'LTTE PROPAGANDA'???

    i don't think so

    news agencies(AFP, AP etc.) includes reports from both sides(SL gov.& LTTE)

    websites like tamilnet/LTTE spokesmen are quoted in the reports just like the army spokesmen

    media can't just report on one sides story

    i saw a report that said 250 killed

    tamilnet: 150 SLA killed
    army.lk : 100 killed

    =250

    its up to the individual to decide what to believe

    i believe DN more than SL Gov. or pro-Ltte media

    sorry for any typo's !

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  57. defence.lk:

    ...Defence sources report that the LTTE offensive was overall led by Theepan and Muhudan, two senior LTTE cadres , whilst fighting formations at Muhamalai and Kilaly were reported respectively led by 'Jerry', Kumunan and Kutti.

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  58. lkdood

    So, let me get this stright...

    Tamilnet publishes an item and imbeds a line in it saying "this figure was confirmed by a SLA officer who wished to remain anonymous" and you believe it?

    Wow! Thundering Typhoons, Blistering Barnacles!!!

    Man, I am pretty sure you are not a born MORON so I think you need to get you head examined as it is likely some toxic environmental factors may have impaired your brain over these years!

    LMSSAO!!!

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  59. Asithri,

    "This was a deduction based on a mathematical/forecasting model done by some of my buddies from Stanford in my organization (non Sri Lankans) and it says a lot."

    Yes, this is true. I modeled (just for my information) LTTE using women/children in their warfare, and your frequent pronouncement of LTTE driving Sri Lankan Tamils to extinction is absolutely true.

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  60. lkdood

    [tamilnet: 150 SLA killed
    army.lk : 100 killed

    =250]

    Wow!

    Some math!

    I am seriously having thoughts about your sanity!

    LMSSAO!!!

    OaO Asithri

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  61. Yes, lkdood, you often (I think inadvertently) help to propagate LTTE misinformation/propaganda. Please be conscious of that.

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  62. After decoding the defence.lk grammer I found this...

    "Canter vehicles loaded with dead LTTE cadres and casualties were rushing continuously towards Mullaittiuvu and Kilinochchi districts since yesterday morning..."

    This is where the Mi-24 can be used. You may say that it's a waste to attack trucks filled with dead cadres but you wouldn't say that when they come back full of fresh cadres for an offensive. If the trucks are knocked out the moblization of the LTTE will be significantly slowed and the cadres will be exhausted after having to march to the front line.

    This is no time for the SLDF to relax especially the SLAF.

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  63. "The LTTE, employing a similar tactic it used back in 2006, withdrew to secondary lines and brought a large volume of artillery fire on the troops consolidating newly captured positions."

    This means that the major thrust towards EP should be fast, something like a 'blitzkrieg' not giving them a chance to regroup or effectively use artillery, and should be far inside than they expected when we stop? But not sure if this way is possible either, as the place is covered with mines and booby traps. And also our troops may not have the capability to do something like that. Looks like we'll have to wait until southern fronts have advanced more (maybe a lot more) until we do something like this again. I'm pretty sure the commanders will not be trying out the same strategy again.

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  64. Rover

    [Yes, this is true. I modeled (just for my information) LTTE using women/children in their warfare, and your frequent pronouncement of LTTE driving Sri Lankan Tamils to extinction is absolutely true.]

    Mate, I don’t have the space here to go into the total model composition and the plethora of “differentiator drivers” that the model encompassed, but here are two other salient ones I didn’t mention before:

    1) Medical facilities in Vanni vs. SLDF’s whereby a wounded combatant is more likely to survive 8 times more in a GOSL area compared to Vanni

    2) GOSL’s ready ability to procure arms, including lethal arms on a Govt to Govt basis and have it shipped risk free to SL, compared to LTTE’s surreptitious, high risk arms procuring modus operandi

    This is why some LTTE mfs, some who are somewhat more savvy intellectually, are now clamoring for a “negotiated settlement” as I am sure they too have done this type of modeling and know the stark truth!

    OaO Asithri

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  65. "This is where the Mi-24 can be used. You may say that it's a waste to attack trucks filled with dead cadres but you wouldn't say that when they come back full of fresh cadres for an offensive."

    This would be against the 'rules of war'. And I think, whatever the cost we have suffered, we do not need to descend to the level of terrorists. But yes, I think the MI-24's should be at work right now. This is the kind of time we need some effective 'retaliation' air strikes, more then when a bomb goes off in the south.

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  66. Hema

    [Asithri bro., Any internal news?
    Like to read some sane (and thoughtful) words for a change.]

    Bro, just saw our post...as you see I have posted quite a few here already...hopefully to get some "sanity" back to the narcotics induced jamboree that appears to have happened here!

    LMSSAO!!!

    OaO Asithri

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  67. firefin,

    agree with you. LTTE must replenish its cadres at the "national front". so now they may be doing that at a rate. they are not so big as the SLA.

    going by mcnamara's proportionality, 52 dead for the LTTE equals 52/20,000*200,000 = 520 for the army. if it was 100 and not 52, the equavalant is 1,000.

    many more would have got wounded.

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  68. Asithri

    i was talking about a 'report'

    they added up the numbers from SLA & LTTE and put the total in the report

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  69. Asithri,

    "This is why some LTTE mfs, some who are somewhat more savvy intellectually, are now clamoring for a “negotiated settlement” as I am sure they too have done this type of modeling and know the stark truth!"

    Yes, this is quite possible. But the only thing that these rather smart Tamils can't do is to explain this point to the dumb ass VP. If anyone is to explain anything to that moron, VP should be put into a pair of shorts and sent to the Montessori and onwards.

    Yes, the two parameters you mentioned can play a significant role in undermining the viability of the struggle for the Eelam. The the use of women (at the frequency that LTTE uses them, and given the biological constraints that women have in reproducing rapidly) in itself is enough for them to have major man(women)power(!) bottlenecks.

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  70. Moahe,

    "no offense dude." Non taken. I was preoccupied with something else. cheers!

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  71. A word of realty to those here who believe that the SLAF can be the panacea for all our worries….

    Now who in here saw the movie “Hamburger Hill” I wonder?

    If you saw it, remember how the Vietcong/NVA were holed up in bunkers up on that slope and how much the USAF bombed it upon being called by the Marines to “soften up,” including with Napalm, and still the gooks kept firing their heavy caliber machine guns?

    Why do you think it happened that way?

    Because the bloody bunkers where not just pits but bunkers that upon entry went at 45 degree deep angles into the earth at a enough depth too and whenever the USAF came in for the bombing runs, the gooks would run into the deep interiors of the bunkers so that there was never ever any peril to them from either shrapnel or shockwaves – unless a bunker took a direct hit from a B52 1000kg (but then how could a B-52 zero in on every bunker that was no more than 3 meters wide?). When I saw this movie I thought this was all fiction until one day in Hawaii I met a Viet Vet and he told me the movie was almost 100% true! The message was ultimately, USAF could not do anything much, but it was painstaking and brave US Marine/Army infantry that finally captured all those bunkers in Hamburger Hill – at a heavy cost to both the US forces and the gooks!

    Thought I will share this will you for those of you who think SLAF (which is not the USAF mind you!) can do wonders and could have made a difference in this type of “drawback” we saw today.

    OaO Asithri

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  72. lkdood

    [they added up the numbers from SLA & LTTE and put the total in the report]

    Sorry my bad mate...however, your post did not highlight the humourous/satirical nature of that info and hence my belief that it was your thinking/deduction.

    Apologies...

    Yours humbly, OaO Asithri

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  73. Rover

    [The the use of women (at the frequency that LTTE uses them, and given the biological constraints that women have in reproducing rapidly) in itself is enough for them to have major man(women)power(!) bottlenecks.]]

    I am impressed man! Yes, "the woman factor" indeed was another "driver" in the model.

    OaO Asithri

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  74. asithiri, your fuking hilarious, you and your so called internal sources. Just admit it your bravehearts got raped, and fonsy and gotha are going to try their hardest to cover this up and ppl like you are just gonna do their job for them, it's all good though we need more modhayas like you to fall into the trap and slaughtered just like today.

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  76. Yes, the Japanese also were quite resilient in their Pacific island bunkers in the WWII. Often flame throwers had to be used to burn up the O2, to dislodge these bunker fighters. But I think flame throwers are banned now (under a Geneva convention, I am not sure if SL is a signatory to this), US has given up using flame throwers voluntarily.

    Another interesting tit bit is that flamethrowers (I mean the soldiers who operated the weapon) were ALWAYS killed when captured because the agony caused by this weapon was tremendous.

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  77. Common guys,

    What has happen to our brave srilankans,

    Without knowing much detail we have come to a conclusion saying we lost.

    So bad, this is a war, every time we won’t be able see “100 LTTE killed’
    These things happen…
    Don’t lose your mind… and don’t give upper hands to LTTE supporters in this blog.

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  78. Isn't it strategically better to launch offensives to free up the the western seaboard up to Kilinochi to weaken the LTTE instead of trying to attack a tiny trip of land (Muhamamlai)with concentrated defenses.

    This will weaken the LTTE more and reduce the chance of arms shipments making it Vanni. Don't think its not happening, some tamil nadu trawlers are making it through the naval blockade. It will also cut off more supplies to the LTTE namely FOOD.

    Then the army will also be in a much better position to strike the final blow.

    Also why does the army deploy most its MBTs and Motorized infantry in the Jaffna Penisula. This is the area of the least movement and MBTs and motorized infantry have the most losses there. Would it not
    make sense to place them were movement is likely to occcur ie the
    Mannar front.

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  79. Now what’s a day’s hard work without being kind to my loving LTTE brothers? LMSSAO!!!

    Puli said earlier I see:

    [My heart is with these poor soldiers who joined the army to feed their families. But they were killed by the politician's desires and keyboard warriors like Asithiri and his followers.]

    Really?

    You think this minor drawback will buy you “thamileelam?” Wow!

    If so, LTTE mf then you should also believe that you came out of a Jaffna goat’s arse and not your mommy’s gut! LMSSAO!!!

    As for:

    “Asithiri and his followers”

    Shit, that makes me sound like a polygamist!

    On second thoughts, may be that’s what my ancestors should have had in Jaffna and then today we would not have likely had this problem!

    LMSSAO!!!

    OaO Asithri (who else?)

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  80. Asithri,

    This is what I wrote sometime back, and were used as population constraints in the model.

    "LTTE is having it much worse. Let me put it in a sociobioogical context. Lot of LTTE women are dying. Nobody in the right mind would let their women die (except of course the "white" assed VP, because women are precious. Women can have only a limited amount of children during their lifetime (production of ova stops after 45, generally can't have more than 1 child at a time, and there is a gestation period of 10 months, and also a period of care that should be provided for about 4 years until the child is independent). But men can have many many children, as they are independent of the constraints mentioned above - sperm is cheap, ova are not.

    But utter idiots like VP think that they are doing a great job when they send their women to war. And the diaspora is blind to this."

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  81. Asithri, Moshe, Lkdood and other patriots, another hectic day lies ahead. So will stop for today. Lets hope to hear some devastatingly good news tomorrow.

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  82. Aha, I see another unwashed podiyen just slithered in, pleading for S&M attention from OaOA:

    Thiru my belovied podiyen you said:

    [asithiri, your fuking hilarious]

    True… I am hilarious today, but you should ask your mother how hilarious I was last night! LMSSAO!!!

    [you and your so called internal sources}

    Never mind “internal sources,” but you should ask your mother about my “internal probes”….LMSSAO!!!

    No, truly LMSSAO!!!

    OaO Asithri (who else?)

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  83. Rover, take care mate...

    As always, good to have you here...


    OaO Asithri

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  84. firerain

    [Isn't it strategically better to launch offensives to free up the the western seaboard up to Kilinochi to weaken the LTTE instead of trying to attack a tiny trip of land (Muhamamlai)with concentrated defenses. ]

    A very good point!


    OaO Asithri

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  85. OK time to get some zzzzs...

    To recap...

    A drawback...not a calamity...not a strategic loss...no irreparable tactical loss either...so let's see what comes soon eh?

    PEACE to all patriots here...

    OaO Asithri

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  86. DN are we still holding the LTTE FDL? or are we back to our own lines?

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  87. WHY is HISTORY repeating...... 1st muhamalei 2nd muhamalei and nw its the 3rd...

    Why cnt we kill large number of LTTE thugs after welioya attack?
    WHY history is repeating?

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  88. DN, ARE we back to where we started at muhamalei?

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  89. Why are we giving the LTTE free propaganda?
    after all these successful group based attacks, which brough so many goons killed , we provide them with lot of bait, giving streams of soldiers under their arti range,

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  90. I agree with Asthiri, kooka, orgre. and especially hakim. If I am not mistaken Hakim is involved actively in this war more than most of us and I believe he knows what he is talking about. Am I right hakim?

    It is very hard to understand most guys in the likes of Moshe Dyan, Tangara, Senkadagala Singhaya who were preaching about not falling to LTTE propaganda, themselves falling to it themselves this quickly.

    Even IF SLA did suffer the mentioned losses I am sure it is not without causing collateral damage to LTTE as well. So at the worst we can consider this as a less succesful operation. Not a failure as we are holding on to theif FDL.

    Now dont come preaching to me with thinks like its human lives that we have lost, That I dont have any feeling towards soldiers who got killed coz i dont even know them, so on so forth.I have a lot to loose, may be more than u all, which is at constant risk at the fdls.But all said and done this is WAR and inevitably people will have to die. And winning a war does not mean winnig all the battles. Some battles are bound to be less successful.

    And LKDOOD, I strongly believe that people who dont really know exactly what is going on are much better off keeping their mouth shut.NO offence mate. I know about u.Just pointing out what i thought was a mistake committed by u involuntarily.

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  91. Comrades,

    Clearly this was a tactical error on the part of the SLA. Attempting to breach the LTTE defences without securing air support was doomed, as demonstrated many times earlier.

    SLA is lucky that the casualty figures seems to have stopped at 100-150 fatalities and a total of 400 or so injured. It could have been much worse.

    As for the kill ratio, given that the LTTE retreated and then responded with heavy arty, it is normal that SLA has a bigger rate of casualties, and especially a much higher number of wounded. It remains to be seen what the 'somewhat' late SLAF response achieved - maybe it had the desired impact.

    On an entirely different subject, I notice with some amusement that there is a lot of reactions against the distasteful comments by some pro-LTTE posters such as 'the boss'. Let me suggest that those comments are no better or worse than Asithris common rants about LTTE carcass maggots - if the standard is set that you may demean combatants of one side, I guess that means that it would be acceptable for those with other views to do the corresponding to those that they perceive as enemies.

    As a former soldier in a very large army, who have seen comrades die in counterinsurgency operations, I am dismayed by the lack of respect for combatants seen here. In my time, we had respect for our enemy (and believe me, some of them were far nastier than LTTE cadres) even after killing them.

    The DefenceNet blog started out as a neutral ground, where military operations from all sides to the conflict could be discussed. That should mean that patriotic rants from either side should be allowed or disallowed on the same basis. Or, better yet, refrained from by those with a genuine interest in discussing military operations.

    I apologise for this long first post, and hope that what I have written can be read and responded to without malice.

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  92. onceinawahile, I have a question mate, IF we r holding the FDL, how can LTTE collect arnd 30 SLA bodies? and take the pics of the FDL?

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  93. TC rover.

    you will wake upto some cracking good news tomorrow.

    mymouse,
    pending a DN answer.....

    no. there is a no-man's land between the SLA FDL and LTTE's first FDL.

    SLA dislodged the LTTE from its first FDL in end jan08. but it is at the edge of no-man's land.

    SLA do not stay in noman's land as it is easily within LTTE mortar range.

    SLA reached and breached it yesterday. when they tried to go further they were attacked.

    SLA still cannot stay in the no-man's land and they have withdrawn to their FDL.

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  94. I have a question in return? What proof do u have that these are actually photos from MUHUMALAI FDL, OF BODIES FROM YESTERDAYS BATTLE? After all people who died in Iraqe few years back time travelled to Sri Lanka and changed their names also eh?

    And remember mate my arguement was that most of us dont know what actually happened until we get more solid information. Until doing so I have enough brains not to believe what LTTE propaganda says. And I humbly request u all do the same as well.

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  95. DN LeN says the Army has retreated from Nagarkovil FDL, is this true?

    PS: I agree with beria.

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  96. yes onceinawhile.. lets wait and see but I strongly feel that we r back to wut we were on 23rd...and its a setback a big one for us.. but LTTE saying they lost only 16 is simply crap...

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  97. Come on you crying babies.

    This is war and it is an offensive.

    Can somebody tell me how to win this war without casualties.Welcome to the reality.

    And don't forget.This is supposed to be the start of the final war.

    We lost 40,000 sri lankans in just 30 minutes due to the Tsunami.My honest opinion is we might lose atleast 10,000 in the final battle with LTTE.Sad,but that is the reallity.However it is the sacrifise we will have to make in order to save the lives of many more people in the future.

    I strongly urge Army not to give up this offensive.Just keep hammering them with Arty and mortars without giving them any chance to rest.Then go for a thrust with infantrymen.In other words it has to be an unceasing wave.That is the only way forward.If we are to win this war we will have to do that now or later.

    I am sure if we can overcome this first hurdle,then the floodgates will open.Remember Muthtur,You need to get the momentum.Greater things will follow.

    No point stopping now and going thru it all over again.

    Fcuk those guys who said commanders who gave orders should be fired at.Are you guys out of your minds or did you eat something dished out by fat Ass prabhakaran?

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  98. You may be right.We will wait and see.

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  99. well sadly we have got lured and hammered yet again by the same ltte strategy in this area...

    I think it's quite stupid of our guys to keep on making the same mistakes over and over again :(

    Now we very well know the challenges lay ahead in this sector and it's high time we get a bit more creative and approach the problem in a different way...

    My prayers are with all those who lost their lives and also for those who are injured :(

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  100. onceinawhile,

    i have not fallen to LTTE propoganda.

    it is a fact that we lost yesterday's battle. it is not LTTE propoganda.

    i try to keep away from MoD propoganda as well as they are WORSE in terms of lying.

    the important thing is we ACCEPT the defeat; change the battleplan AT LEAST NOW. 2006 oct., 2007 nov, 2008 april...next....?

    i'm 100% sure tigers will copy their successful strategies of yesterday elsewhere. we got to be ready.

    by MoD propoganda they try to save the arrse of the guy behind yesterday's attack.

    in SL no high ranking military officer has ever resigned over debacles. they just hang there without dignity or shame.

    supporting war to bring peace to SL does not necessarily mean supporting the military plans of the govt. in fact because of blunders of a few, people get frustrated over the whole war.

    where reason ends, my support for the govt. also ends there.

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  101. Dulith
    "Come on you crying babies.

    This is war and it is an offensive.

    Can somebody tell me how to win this war without casualties.Welcome to the reality."

    agreed mate but don't you think we should quite obviously be adopting different strategies...
    I aint not expert but it seems like ltte has used the same strategy they used last time around...
    draw sldf in...retreat to 2nd FDL and call in arti/mortars...
    why can't we get some sorta SLAF cover???
    Is it possible that this time also this is due to political pressure and not on military needs???

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  102. "i'm 100% sure tigers will copy their successful strategies of yesterday elsewhere. we got to be ready."

    moshe
    this retreating and then calling in for arti fire is now new technique... it has been used for donkey's years i'm sure cos it's such a simple and effective plan...
    I'm not an expert but i'm pretty sure there are other ways to counter this other than just playing their game and getting killed in the process

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  103. DN, When u have correct info and time , pls update the status the crappy UNP asshole media LeN says we have withdrawn from nagarkovil FDL

    THIS LOSS is UNP's dream....so they r having a fun time nw...

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  104. L Beria, Welcome to the blog!
    and i hope to read more post from you.

    Guys now all our eyes are at Muhamalai, so this is a good chance to attack LTTE to somewhere else.

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  105. Moshe Dyan,

    I admited yesterday was less succesful didnt I?Read carefully leaving aside emotions.My arguement was that its too early for u or for me to decide the number of casualties, gaining ground etc etc. coz we dont know what we dont know.

    U r taking Pro LTTE media figures for granted and basing ur arguements on them. U cant deny that surely? Thats what i meant by u falling for LTTE propaganda.

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  106. The Air Force today claimed that their jets targetted an LTTE black tiger base in Panikkankulam, North-West of Mankulam this morning.

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  107. It’s totally our irresponsibility.. soldiers just followed the orders, problem is the people who commanding it, some how some where something went wrong, blunder is we are stepping into the same trap over and over again we really don’t know what happened there, I know that it’s not easy as we write things in here, we are talking like this not because of anything but to provide something out of these forums,
    My basic is this we have not assessed the damn Muhamalei FDL yet, it just a black hole kind a thing
    Then go for solution + necessary equipments, [think we need some A-10 type aircrafts that can “Bring the Rain”. Start the lottery “A-10 lottery” (everyone will contribute)
    which can penetrate amour, could destroy even artilleries]
    Once again it’s our mistake, please assess every skirmish before stepping into it

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  108. 150 SLA killed, Tigers locate 30 SLA bodies in Northern Front
    [TamilNet, Wednesday, 23 April 2008, 11:56 GMT]
    Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) officials in Ki'linochchi said the Tigers have located more than 30 dead bodies of the SLA soldiers in the clearing mission so far in the Northern Front after a major operation by the SLA was thwarted by them. 19 dead bodies were brought to Ki'linochchi. Meanwhile, a Sri Lanka Army (SLA) source, which didn't wish to be named, verified that 104 dead bodies were initially recovered by the army and more than 400 were wounded. The source further said at least 150 soldiers were killed in action. In the meantime, a Colombo bound passenger said he had seen 12 bus loads of dead and wounded soldiers being rushed to the runway in Palaali military complex.

    SLA dead bodies recovered by the Tigers were brought to Ki'linochchi [Photo: TamilNet]


    An LTTE fighter with seized arms [Photo: LTTE]
    [Photo: LTTE]
    Northern Front photos
    Most of the wounded were airlifted to Colombo general hospital.

    According to the official figures released by the SLA, 38 soldiers were killed and 84 injured.

    The SLA units were defeated at two of the three fronts, in Mukamaalai and Ki'laali, by 10:30 a.m. after stiff resistance. Heavy fighting raged till 12:40 p.m. in Ka'ndal.

    LTTE military spokesman Irasiah Ilanthiraiyan said more than 100 SLA troops were killed and 400 SLA were wounded in the large-scale SLA attempt to overrun LTTE strongholds along a 7 km wide Ki'laali -Mukamalai - Ka'ndal front. 16 LTTE fighters were killed in action.

    LTTE officials in Ki'linochchi provided details of 14 identification tags/details belonging to dead SLA soldiers, handed over to them by Tiger commanders in Northern Front.

    * 184849
    PTE, Pushpakumara, ATVE
    * S1470985
    B+ VE,
    * 171189
    V E
    * S1171175
    B+ V E
    * S513506
    B+ V
    * S171175
    B+ V
    * S465138
    Date of Birth: 1980.06.25, Mobile: 0776934041, IC 801776641 V
    * S184755
    PTE, O+ VE
    * S515411
    O+ VE
    * Vijayatunga M
    * S174217
    O+ VE (Company A, Gemunu)
    * S462960
    A+ VE (1st Gemnu)
    * S463398
    O+ VE(1st Gemunu)
    * S164811
    O- VE (Company A)



    Dead bodies of SLA soldiers in a bunker [Photo: LTTE]


    Northern Front


    Northern Front photos

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  109. specialforce @LNP says this

    "
    sla suffered heavy casualties for the second time in the same place in a spam of few years yesterday.

    the scenario of the events was different from both the vesriosn produced by the defence web sites and the tamilnet.the sla was planning a major offensive along the muhamali nagarkoviol axis when the ltte launched its attacks on the sla defence lines yesterday early morning.the forces retaliated and the tigers fled.forces launched the preplanned offensive prematurely hoping to gain the momentum as it was `assumed` the tigers made a retreat and thus was not in order.the ltte offered little Resistance to the advancing troops initially got them in and boxed them.

    the final casualty figured stand at 106 killed and 30 MIA...ltte`s casualty figured lie at 58 killed and about 200 injured.

    this is a defeat by all means for security forces.

    ever since the elam war 4 began i have from time to time mentioned the inability for either side to penetrate the narrow land strip in nk and muhamalai.

    the ltte tried capturing jaffna four time and the results were not different to what we saw yesterday. over 600 died and hundreds wounded.the sla attempted the same twice and had over 300 killed and scored wounded.both sides had to give up.

    in my personal opinion its waste of life,money and resources to attempt a march to EP with the conventional fighting capacity of the ltte intact even to a 40%...the logic is simple...the strip is narrow...its open land space and its heavily mined and trapped.any invader is a sitting duck.the ltte learned this lesson bitterly in 2000 with unceasing waves in chava and later on in elam war 4...

    there is no point in investing in a offensive which time and again has proved uphill the road to elephant pass..."

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  110. Crap, my BB went off, a patriot said “OaOA check DN” and whoa, yep, I see why I got the text mess:

    "I beria" said:

    [Let me suggest that those comments are no better or worse than Asithris common rants about LTTE carcass maggots - if the standard is set that you may demean combatants of one side, I guess that means that it would be acceptable for those with other views to do the corresponding to those that they perceive as enemies.]

    Yo, “Asithris common rants about LTTE carcass maggots” so, that is an issue for you? Aha, I see….

    So you want to compare me to this vile piece of LTTE shit, the Boss?

    Who the bloody fuck are you scumbag, other than an obvious bloody son-of-a-LTTE-whore to do this? LMSSAO!!!

    I see calling LTTE terrorists “LTTE carcass maggots” bothers you eh?…and as they say, the obvious (i.e. that you are a son-of-a-LTTE-whore here in camouflage trying to pontificate to bloggers the virtues of “equality”…!!!) needs no telling! LMSSAO!!!

    [I am dismayed by the lack of respect for combatants seen here]

    LTTE mf, let’s clear something shall we?…there are no “combatants” here. There are only SL patriots and Terrorists here…so I say get your semantics correct! Yes, “combatants” one may respect, but Terrorists one should “liquidate with unmitigated glee,” before discarding the remains in the cesspit…got it?

    [In my time, we had respect for our enemy]

    Yo, what time as that? In the Napoleon era? LMSSAO!!!

    Did your enemy bash the skulls of tiny babies till the brain matter spewed out onto the wailing mothers and then did your enemy cut open the womb of the mothers and yank out unborn fetuses and dash them on the ground? – all done only because the infant/fetuses/mothers were Sinhalese? I think not! If it is so and if you still had respect for your “enemy,” then grandpa-kookygooky, I say you need your bloody rocker examined!

    [That should mean that patriotic rants from either side should be allowed]

    OK, my stuff may be “patriotic rants”….but LTTE crap you call “patriotic rants”….???

    Bloody filthy son-of-a-LTTE-whore…get lost!

    You may come here into DefenseNet’s blog and crapp your filth (and I have no control over that), but DO NOT EVER tangle with me as I am allergic to TERRORISTS!

    LMSSAO!!!

    OaO Asithri

    p.s. OK…no more BB’s to me dudes as I am gone to zzzz for sure now. LMSSAO!!!

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  111. It is clearly evidence, that there is no cordination of 3 forces.
    May be Top guys are having personal differences and even not talking to each other.
    When such a big attack is going on, what the fuck SLAF was doing.
    They had excuses before to say that they do not have night fighting capabilities.
    Now what.
    Young Bravehearts are dying unnecessaraly, because of bad governence of the top.
    These soldiers are the cream of all forces, who are willingly going for fighting.

    I love Movie " Death Vally". Last battle is typical ARMY LTTE fight.
    But US air force with helicopter gunships (we have enough now), valiently attack enemy and finally rescued the rest of the ARMY.

    We need such a attidude in the SLAF.

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  112. Guys there is a scare of blood (specially A-) ppl in SL , please donate @ blood bank...

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  113. Hello I Beria, welcome (with that name I wonder about which army it could have been :) )

    I recall David Blacker (he is an ex-SLA soldier who fought in the first EP battle and used to post here often, runs his own blog now) once posted that the closer you get to the front lines the more mutual respect one has for their enemy. Sadly those sitting far away on either side have the luxury to come up with name calling, but in the end it just reflects poorly on them, than any stain left on those who they would like to besmirch.

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  114. onceinanwhile,

    crap.

    the casualty figures can be known if you have any connection to the SLDFs.

    what i hear as latest is 120+

    this is shit. real shit.

    but if you have misintepreted this i'm sorry,

    "going by mcnamara's proportionality, 52 dead for the LTTE equals 52/20,000*200,000 = 520 for the army. if it was 100 and not 52, the equavalant is 1,000."

    this means the LTTE suffered the same loss equal to a situation where SLA lost 520.

    so still, proportionately LTTE suffered more as SLA casualties are much less.


    LOFL!!

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  115. I beria,

    Welcome to the blog, i read your comments with much intrest we should have much more ppl in your caliber commenting here as this would make this a more intresting place.

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  116. Well said Moshe, Do you have more formulas....? LOL

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  117. Sorry guys... Movie name is " We Were Soldiers"

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  118. Please Dont Copy and Paste very long pages here,specially those TamilNet shit here

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  119. MD<

    R u saying this is rite?

    going by mcnamara's proportionality, 52 dead for the LTTE equals 52/20,000*200,000 = 520 for the army. if it was 100 and not 52, the equavalant is 1,000."

    this means the LTTE suffered the same loss equal to a situation where SLA lost 520.

    If so what were u whining about for then earlier?

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  120. Guys in SL,
    Blood is needed immediately for the wounded soldiers....A- mostly

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  121. B#1 LANCER,

    you are welcome.

    my apologies if it sounds too geeky!! too much reading robert mcnamara's stuff.

    he was a numbers man and i love him. true he did some BIG mistakes in Vietnam, but his later "theories" are nourished with his experience from BOTH victories and defeats.

    apparently rover has a secret formula (where he has assessed that the LTTE cannot sustain its military campaign at this rate)which he is not willing to share.

    OK another formula.

    annual war casulaties in SL =
    total SLDF casualties + civilian casualties - LTTE casualties.

    in 2002/3/4/5 this was positive and hence BAD. 2006/7/8YTD it is negative and that is good.

    then there is the "liberation" formula.

    if the past so many years has killed 35k tamils (and 35k others), that is roughly 2% of the tamil (other than plantation tamils who don't need liberation) population. this % is 0.2% for the rest of the population.

    2% is 10 times of 0.2%.

    now who needs liberation from whom?

    therefore if anyone thinks LTTE's war is about tamil liberation, he is a lunatic.

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  122. once,

    yes.

    just do the calc.

    i assumed LTTE has 20k and SLDFs have 200k.

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  123. Ranabima Marune Sinhalayeknam
    Papuwe lae salakunu aththe
    Sathurata laya dee misa marune nae
    Lae pallam natha pita paththe


    Ranabime miyadune ape weera soyuranta mae geethaya upaharayak wewa !

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  124. Guys,
    Keep your moral up.
    Army captured 500m open stretch along 7-8km's. 4 SQkms
    Also do not forget this is a defender benefited terrain,where LTTE (most of their elite troops) had to stop it's Unceased Wave 4.
    I'm also have fucking doubts about SLAF,they gave aerial support at 1 pm for ground troops??
    What the fuck they did??
    SLAF always weak,as usual.

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  127. Thank you Jack and cable for the welcome, and thank you Asithtri for conforming to my expectations.

    To adress Asithris questions directly, so we have this straightened out immediately:

    "Yo, “Asithris common rants about LTTE carcass maggots” so, that is an issue for you? Aha, I see…."

    How perceptive of you. Yes, I think that your language reveals a lot about you.

    "LTTE mf, let’s clear something shall we?…there are no “combatants” here. There are only SL patriots and Terrorists here…so I say get your semantics correct! Yes, “combatants” one may respect, but Terrorists one should “liquidate with unmitigated glee,” before discarding the remains in the cesspit…got it?"

    I am sure that there are absolutely normal young men on both sides. And I am absolutely sure that on the LTTE side there are many young men who have not chosen to be where there are. Don't paint everyone with the same brush. Not everyone slaughters innocents, or blows themselves up.

    "Yo, what time as that? In the Napoleon era? LMSSAO!!!"

    With some minor exceptions, when I was not in active duty, October 1978 until April 1987.

    "OK, my stuff may be “patriotic rants”….but LTTE crap you call “patriotic rants”….???"

    Yes, it is all patriotic bullshit and nothing a real soldier would ever spend time on.

    "DO NOT EVER tangle with me as I am allergic to TERRORISTS!"

    And I am allergic to little wimps who sit half a world away from the action and claim to be committed to the motherland. Get over here and enlist, if you are so committed. I can assure you that I have killed more terrorists than you have.

    Вы мертвы ко мне.

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  128. Is this the same David Blacker again??
    ----

    We can easily win this war. All we need for that is a good sophisticated calculator and the Moshe's brain. Well done again.

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  129. who's this I beria person???

    Btw, the russian he's using is not correct. i.e ( Вы мертвы ко мне.)it's just a direct translation of " You are dead to me" in english.

    Another thing is Iberia, being committed to mother land does not mean we necessarily have to go to active battle. it's about doing what we can do.

    I'm sure, Asithri would be doing a lot more things at his end than any one of us.

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  130. [L Beria said...
    The DefenceNet blog started out as a neutral ground, where military operations from all sides to the conflict could be discussed. That should mean that patriotic rants from either side should be allowed or disallowed on the same basis. Or, better yet, refrained from by those with a genuine interest in discussing military operations.]

    For me Defence is the Defence of Sri Lanka. not the ghoul land of Peelaam.

    Thus all pretenders and ant-SL element should be banned .

    When you need the company of ghouls, there is LNP.

    LTTE succeeds because they are fanatics dedicated, conditioned and bred to kill. They are efficient crafty and ruthless killer machines supported by diverse anti-SL agents including diaspora.

    SLA and all Sri Lankans must know it. We will talk about the respect these ghouls deserve after exterminating them.

    Denigrate them to the maximum as does Asithri, but not with childish terms such as Bata Slippers and Amudas. Those are also part of the tactics of these killer ghouls.

    Denigrating the “invincible” LTTE of RW should be the attitude of all of us but it should be done to match the thirst of blood of these ghouls. That sustains the psychological war.

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  131. DN wrote:

    This blog is dedicated to discussing military activities in Sri Lanka. Original articles related to the conflict in Sri Lanka will be published here.

    What you think, Mathematica, does not matter.

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  132. I repeat,
    DENEGRATING LTTE GHOULS IS AN ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY PART OF THE PSYCHOLOGICAL WAR

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  133. Sriva...

    What will go through the mind of a little brother or sister of one of the dead soldiers when he or she sees the picture of his or her brother lying dead?? What will he or she feel when we type away these fiery words, totally insensitive to their emotions?

    There'll be no such words here If you MF's are away from this blog.

    GO TO HELL

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  134. Hemantha Bra...sorry spelling mistake...Bro!

    This is not Asithiri's internal information but internal bleeding!

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  135. Attack-is-the-best-deffence,

    I thought you would have changed your name by now. Think twice mate. Its very dangerous.

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  136. pulli - gona,
    anna... come to sl ... and lets meet bro...no need to wage war u sitting and shitting in canada or norway...

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  137. LTTE lost 502 guys in welioya attack in 1994.
    They lost over 200+ when the faced MBRL fire in the Unceasing waves 3 end..

    Again they lost close to 400 bastereds in 2006 june when they tried to overun muhamail FDLs ina bid to capture jaffna.
    DID they stop ..no..
    stupid desicions to end conflicts soon have taken a toll in the armies.
    EG:- Operation Market Garden in 1944

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  138. our defence.lk or our websites says 100 ltte killed if this is true why they don't have any images or video footage like ltte????

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  139. Can watch the war front video in the following link;
    http://www.vakthaa.tv/play.php?vid=600

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  140. One may respect the tactics of the opponent but not the opponent.

    In war, opponent is marked as not deserving to live however good or respectable he may be.

    But one may perfect oneself by integrating the tactics of the opponent.


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  141. LKDOOD : It seems you need to take a basic logic and math course... logic is intuitive to humans & animals... but it seems you don't have a drop of it!

    Mose Dayan: While I agree with you on some aspects... trust me it is a different situation on the ground and the real world. Your step by step war plans will be in the bin soon after the 1st round is fired. I hate to bring up history... but WWII has seen some of the plans of the best commanders of Russia, US and UK fail miserably. But they are still regarded as some of the best commanders of all time, since in the long run they won the war.

    Asithri: Well even I don't believe the MoD figures totally. Remember when Rathnasiri admitted 104 dead in Feb 2008 in parliament, there was a big ha hu in the media... well the total I calculated using math-addition as well as war statistics (how many wounded succumb later) and figures from all 29 Sit.Rep from Army.lk, it came to a close figure... but did not give a accurate wounded figure, may be I missed something or reporting wounded is different.

    Onceinawhile: Well I have my own anti-LIE.TTE propaganda war but I have my family in the Army too. How close? well like we have the same mother and father... yes! that close! This should answer Iamak too... I think that my family member in the war is more closer than his. But I give them moral support, not complain and bitch about.

    What people need to understand is that... they should stop reacting... be proactive and also see beyond the casualties and losses.

    Casualties and losses are heartbreaking and arouse our anger and emotions, BUT casualties and losses are inevitable in a war. The important thing is that the strategic gains too have to be seen in perspective (so that the brave solders did not die in vain). Gaining their 1st FDL is invaluable... it is not a only moral knockout to the LTTE but also militarily we now have the 2nd FDL in sight. It is less open ground to cover on the march towards Kilinochchi! Less open ground, less casualties, and more possibilities for are SF and Commandos to do what they have been doing for the last year, keep nipping away until the wall caves in.

    What most people forget is that this is not only a war of men, arms and machines, but an all-out propaganda war. And from many of the comments I see here.. the LTTE is having an edge.

    Remember that your moral support, and your belief in the SLSF are important. They gain the courage and valor from knowing that the Sri Lankan people support them and believe in them 100%. If we fail now.. we are sending them to their deaths and Sri Lanka is doomed.

    By the way in 2006 it was not only the Arti that did the damage, it was the Flanking move where our solders were cut off and then attacked from the front and rare. What more this time we did not just run behind the bull like a mad kid only to be gored when it turned around. This time we stopped and consolidated before before moved any further. The only problem this time was that we lacked air cover to target their Artillery batteries on time, before they could do any damage. And for all those who think Mi-24 is the solution, well even if you scorch a bunker line, the solders still have to go there and consolidate and occupy.. making them vulnerable to counter attack and artillery.

    So that is my logic in asking K/B Generals to support or to shut up!

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  142. Look at this pathetic use of language..

    MUHAMALE: Over 100 LTTE cadres have been killed and a large number had suffered injuries. 43 soldiers made their supreme sacrifice while another 120 soldiers suffered injuries. 33 soldiers have failed to marry up with Troops.

    Further details will follow.

    http://www.nationalsecurity.lk/fullnews.php?id=11991

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  143. chamal,
    ltte never respects rules of war.
    if we realy want to win this war against LTTE we MUST go the same level.

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  144. Our SLArmy commander made a declaration on the 14th of this month in publick that the SLA was going to open a war front in Mukamala very soon. By doing this he made the enemy aware of this Mukamalai operation.
    Within 9 days, he made the move in Mukamalai and lost 170 sons of our land.
    I dont know what type of war statergy he is adopting.
    Is he doing any kind of election campaign in the flatform of our breave solders?

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  145. Tiger supporter crabs are dancing in the warm water today....


    Dance till water gets warmer....!

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  146. Dear Asithri,
    Many thanks for your comments.If the attack was launched by the LTTE..the solution would have been for the army to retreat a few miles and then target our own artillary at our previous FDL(which i think is outside LTTE artillary range) which we would have subsequently captured in time killing loads of potential future supermarket employees in GOD IC which is what a clever commander did in the past.this engagement by the LTTE was not a "conventional war" at all!!.however it was meant to look like one and induce our troops to capture land which is protected by LTTE artillary.the LTTE violet rhino division just wanted to kill as many soldiers as possible thats all.This idea of going into battle with all guns blazing and trumpts sounding is a stupid idea.
    As for casualties i think we are looking at about 250 dead (most dying in hospital).

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  147. mukkamalei.... is it a town in toronto or oslo??

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  148. If your sources are as you mention

    LankaDissent.com... as the name suggests they are unpatriotic and will put anything to please the LTTE, NGOs and the Anti-Gov cum Anti-Military forces.

    Lankanewspapers.... LOL! Their source is Tamilnet.com... that says a lot about the integrity of their story.

    LeN... whoo that is run by Srikotha and you know who they are supporting in this war! Hilarious!

    Pissass poor 3rd Class journalism.

    The funny thing about the comments on the LnP forums is that 90% of them are originating from the UK, US, Canada or other countries... Ha Ha Ha! The jackasses are not even in the country... but are the first to comment on running the country and the war... bloody morons!

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  149. hakim,

    that's a shitty name you're using, mate.

    1. as taxpayers we have a right to know what the hell the govt. is doing with our money. the war uses $1.5 BILLION of our money. all the SLDFs are paid by us and we have a RIGHT to know what they do with all that.

    2. i agree that things do not go according to plan. but that does not mean we can throw away planning. yesterday's debale was in part a planning disaster.

    3. due to the prolonged war, salary scale, overseas opportunities, inherent risks, political interferences, etc., etc. the brainiest and the smartest do not join the SLDFs. this is the reality although they are the bravest. therefore SLDFs must rely on the power of logic, reason, knowledge gathered through reserach, following up the war and other wars, shared experience, etc. of professionals. it does not much matter they have little or no experience.

    obviously we did not have very smart generals apart from a handful. else the war cannot rage for so long with a terror outfit of just less than 20k fighters.

    So don't redicule those with no military experience.

    Also most (actualy all) SLDF work is done by equipment manufactured elsewhere. And we know what they can do. the source - the manufacturer or manufacturer's input.

    There is a human element that goes into it and that decides the outcome. in some instances this has been disastrous but equipement was blamed.

    Let's accept the repeated blunder, please.

    SLDFs must listen to logical arguments else they become the laughing stock of the whole world.

    if they fight like yesterday, people will surely lose confidence in them.

    it is sad if people lose faith in the war because of a few blunderers.

    don't forget that the surrender camp led by pansi-ranil is waiting to grab power. they only need a few military debacles like this. unfortunately their campaign is VERY resourceful, widespread and they NEVER get killed!!

    they are like the corpse eating maggots that cannot be avoided.

    also the economy does not have an open checkbook for the war.

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  150. Roy,
    How it comes "Our SLArmy commander"???
    Is your mother one of his keep... :p

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  151. lets kill this bastards by gas!!!

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  152. These are the comments of Gen. Sarath Fonseka on the Island today...

    It went something similar to...

    "We will forge ahead.."

    I am pretty disgusted that LTTE supporters and certain foreign elements now are ruling this blog.

    This blog should be discussing to find out what really happened at Muramaale and what next. i.e. Is the LTTE 1st FDL now occupied by SLA or not? If so what are the advantages SLDF gains for future offensives? etc. etc. If not at all what is the status quo?

    Shall we concentrate on these? and I implore Defencenet to remove LTTE terrorist supporters from this blog.

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  153. Moshe> No apologies about my name... that is the name I will be using! by the way the Traitor Rauf Hakeem... his name is spelled with a "ee" notice the difference, Hakim and Hakeem?

    Well I don't time to get into a debate with you, like I said I agree with you on somethings, but somethings I don't... so live with it.

    But in your last post... ha I like the phrases you use "pansi-Ranil" and "they are like the corpse eating maggots" ... hilarious! I totally agree with you on that! Hi5 on that!

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  154. thambala, unfortunately blogger has no option to remove pests from blogs or disable their accounts..

    THey have become a real problem here!!

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  155. srivathsa,

    be sensible man.

    have you heard of tamil nadu which means the tamil country?

    there are over 60 million TAMILS there compared to just 2 million (and drastically falling) in SL.

    ALL TAMIL songs, movies, and other artwork is done in TN; nothing in SL.

    so TAMIL naad is undoubtedly the TAMIL homeland.

    there is no point fighting (on the southof it) for what already exists north of the palk strait.

    yesterday was only an exception. this won't end until all LTTE terrorists are exterminated.

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  156. Hakim,

    sorry mate. my bad.

    your name is perfectly alright for me NOW.

    (the traitor has two "e"s; indeed!!!!)

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  157. Guys,

    Don't fall for the handle Asithrimodaya.

    It belongs to one of the LTTE loonies here.

    Just ignore the crap.

    It is a must that Defencenet removes these LTTE handles once and for all.

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  158. Defencenet,

    I understand the reasons why you don't want to remove these LTTE handles...It is counter productive to keep them blogging..It is now or never.

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  159. http://www.defence.lk/videos/20080423_SLRC.wmv
    wanni operation SLA

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  160. http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20080424_01

    Latest...

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  161. Hakim,
    I share your feelings about this engagement..but again right now with the info we have.. it was badly planned.The airforce should have been providing cover for troops while the fighting was going on and not 2 hrs after the engagement was over.The LTTE are not going to say "the skirmish is over so here we are so you can bomb us now"The airforce should have also taken out these LTTE "ambulances" transporting injured cadres and continued bombing LTTE fomations even if the malathi brigade was doing a barathanatyum.I understand that you cannot bomb LTTE concentrations if your troops are fighting hand to hand with them but i think this situation was somehow different from what i read.

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  163. We lost this battle, no point denying it!
    And no point crying over spilt milk...
    This is war, you win some, you lose some!

    But I have one point to make;

    All our brave brothers who have laid their lives, fighting the LTTE, have died with the positive thought "Mission Accomplished" in their minds!

    i.e. They knew very well that all their services, up to the very end, resulted in denying Eelam to the LTTE!


    But all the LTTE terrorists who have died fighting the SLA, have died with the negative thought "Mission Failed" in their minds!

    i.e. They knew very well that all their forced services, up to the very end, did not result in Eelam for the LTTE!

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  164. This is from Specialforce in LNP..
    Sorry defencenet for the cut and paste job...

    =============

    The road to Elephant pass...
    Thursday, 24 April 2008 - 9:09 AM SL Time



    sla suffered heavy casualties for the second time in the same place in a spam of few years yesterday.

    the scenario of the events was different from both the vesriosn produced by the defence web sites and the tamilnet.the sla was planning a major offensive along the muhamali nagarkoviol axis when the ltte launched its attacks on the sla defence lines yesterday early morning.the forces retaliated and the tigers fled.forces launched the preplanned offensive prematurely hoping to gain the momentum as it was `assumed` the tigers made a retreat and thus was not in order.the ltte offered little Resistance to the advancing troops initially got them in and boxed them.

    the final casualty figured stand at 106 killed and 30 MIA...ltte`s casualty figured lie at 58 killed and about 200 injured.

    this is a defeat by all means for security forces.

    ever since the elam war 4 began i have from time to time mentioned the inability for either side to penetrate the narrow land strip in nk and muhamalai.

    the ltte tried capturing jaffna four time and the results were not different to what we saw yesterday. over 600 died and hundreds wounded.the sla attempted the same twice and had over 300 killed and scored wounded.both sides had to give up.

    in my personal opinion its waste of life,money and resources to attempt a march to EP with the conventional fighting capacity of the ltte intact even to a 40%...the logic is simple...the strip is narrow...its open land space and its heavily mined and trapped.any invader is a sitting duck.the ltte learned this lesson bitterly in 2000 with unceasing waves in chava and later on in elam war 4...

    there is no point in investing in a offensive which time and again has proved uphill the road to elephant pass...

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  165. We've deleted some comments here. If your comment was deleted dont ask why.

    This is a forum for discussing military matters, not a place where you can whine about genocide, innocence or any other bullshit. If you have feelings that need out, open your own blog or go scream at a tree, etc etc.

    And please make sure you don't use offensive language in your posts not promote racism.

    Above all, stop replying to crap comments.

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  166. Everyone must be vigilant..

    In local news, explosives were found in Kadireshan Kovil in Bambalapitiya...

    18 LTTE trained tamil youths were arrested from estates in up country..

    LTTE is probably planning massive attacks..

    Please be vigilent.

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  167. tangara,
    yes they must be planning another attack in the south to uplift their fighters/diaspora morale.ALL THE SRILANKANS MUST UNITY TO FIGHT AGAINST LTTE TERRORISM

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  168. If what special force is saying is correct then there are serious issues to be raised about the failed attempts to break through.

    Further it would be rather scary if Gen SF is still revved up about an offensive in Muramaale

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  169. I have one question.

    Is SLA now occupying the 1st LTTE FDL????

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  170. Confirmed News says that TAF also has participated for yesterday attack which gave heavy casualties to the SLDF..........

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  171. "Is SLA now occupying the 1st LTTE FDL????"

    1st LTTE FDL in this region was captured back in 2006. SLA has gained around 500m from yesterday's battle in Muhamalai but no gains in Nagarkovil. And we have not abandoned the Nagarkovil FDL who says that?

    According to MI the LTTE death figure is around 80. 200 more wounded.

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  172. thnx DN.

    Nagarkovil crap is on LeN which consists of ugly unp and managala faction homo journalists.

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  173. defensenet,

    does the army maintain some/if at all, rudimentary form of R&D?

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  174. LeN crap says that 143 killed only in muhamalei front.. but nagrkovil front not yet collected....

    http://www.lankaenews.com/Sinhala/news.php?id=5050

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  175. Put 5000 or 6000 soldiers on the ground and finish this thing. with support of big guns & jets.

    so this thing will never happen again

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  176. shyam, where did you hear that about the TAF?

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  177. I got this email if anyone can help please

    Dear All,

    This is a forwareded mail I recieved while ago.

    "If you know any one who has A- blood, please donate it to central blood bank or jayawardenapura hospital . There are heavy casualties in Army. Lots of nos are coming to Colombo hospitals . So if you can donate what ever to above irrespective of your blood group. Urgently this A-; that soldier is dying but can be saved - he needs 2 pints ....."


    PLEASE SEND THIS MAIL TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW AS MANY AS POSIBLE...

    SAVE OUR GODS OF NATION!!!

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  178. You are not alone in this war.

    http://www.defence.lk/videos/20080423_SLRC.wmv

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  179. "shyam, where did you hear that about the TAF?"

    when he was half way through his wet dream

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  180. my advice is:
    withdraw the army from 'Yarlpanam'and fight for Adampan town centre. Atleast we can do something you know. Definitely we need air support...atleast from professional 'parippu'eaters. We can simply win this war man. common!....

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  181. mos 2007,
    "Put 5000 or 6000 soldiers on the ground and finish this thing. with support of big guns & jets.

    so this thing will never happen again"
    yesterday SLA put 4000 in a strech of one kilometer area but without air support.

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  182. God!!! This another sad news man!


    15 SLA killed in Mannaar fighting - LTTE
    [TamilNet, Thursday, 24 April 2008, 09:40 GMT]
    Liberation Tigers Military Spokesman Irasiah Ilanthirayan Thursday said that the Sri Lanka Army (SLA) abandoned a fresh attempt to advance in Mannaar from Cheaththukku'lam towards Veaddaiyaa Mu'rippu after heavy resistance from the Tigers. The offensive push was launched by the SLA around 5:30 a.m. with the support of Main Battle Tanks and artillery fire. 15 SLA soldiers were killed, more than 30 SLA wounded in the confrontation. 1 LTTE fighter was killed in action, according to Mr. Ilanthirayan.

    On Wednesday, the SLA attempted advance from Paalaikkuzhi to Adampan at 2:30 p.m. and suffered heavy casualties. Exact casualty figures were not available.

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  184. Thambi San,

    Its war man not a political procession. Truth should be with you.
    This is the difference between true freedom fighters and the paid soldiers.

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  185. defencenet, you talk about deleting baseless comments and comments related to defence: Aha, I see another unwashed podiyen just slithered in, pleading for S&M attention from OaOA:

    Thiru my belovied podiyen you said:

    [asithiri, your fuking hilarious]

    True… I am hilarious today, but you should ask your mother how hilarious I was last night! LMSSAO!!!

    [you and your so called internal sources}

    Never mind “internal sources,” but you should ask your mother about my “internal probes”….LMSSAO!!!

    No, truly LMSSAO!!!

    OaO Asithri (who else?)

    where is a defence related comment in this? or r u trying to do wat ur government does and suppress only the tamils in this blog, i bet if i replied to this comment by this son of a prostitute then it will be deleted within minutes if not seconds.

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  186. The boss,

    please delete your comment machchan! do not behave like others. We respect soldiers after they die. Dont do this. There is then no difference between them and us.

    my humble request.

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  187. According to some close sources, it isn't bad as some of the terra sites and supporters claim..

    true there was unusally higher casuality rate, but the forces were able to capture territory + ongoing operations continuing. The captured territories still under control.

    According to defence.lk canter loads of LTTE casualities evacuated to mulativu and kili hospitals. Why the hell the SLAF didn't come forward and bombed those vehicles so it would have been easy for them to make the final rights for the great mahveerars.

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  188. very interesting article mongooses being trained to detect land mines in Sri Lanka:

    Daily Mirror, UK
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2008/04/24/mongooses-being-used-to-sniff-out-buried-explosives-89520-20392933/

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  189. Hakim said...

    LKDOOD : It seems you need to take a basic logic and math course... logic is intuitive to humans & animals... but it seems you don't have a drop of it!


    ---

    LOL

    ok ok believe the government numbers

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  190. Puli said...

    The boss,

    please delete your comment machchan! do not behave like others. We respect soldiers after they die. Dont do this. There is then no difference between them and us.

    my humble request.


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    every dead person deserve respect & soldiers deserve more respect

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  191. Riyaz,
    "According to defence.lk canter loads of LTTE casualities evacuated to mulativu and kili hospitals. Why the hell the SLAF didn't come forward and bombed those vehicles so it would have been easy for them to make the final rights for the great mahveerars."
    SLAF didn't get orders from the topbrass to bomb these ltte canter lorries.Governement and politicians wants to drag this war for another Decade.

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  192. san,

    "ltte never respects rules of war.
    if we realy want to win this war against LTTE we MUST go the same level."

    Maybe that's why that side are terrorists and our side are troops of a democratically elected government?

    Anyway this is not going to work for us. We have enough pressure from IC already. Sure, I know what a lot of people say about telling the IC to get stuffed, but in reality it doesn't work like that. We can give theories here on how to do that, but it's the GoSL that has to carry out those theories and you can bet your life that's never going to happen. Besides, I don't really think attacking them 'indiscriminately' will be effective either. Take a look at US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, killing more civilians than insurgents daily. Their 'tough' methods have not got them anywhere, except a lot of opposition and resistance. Or else we have to be like Israeli troops - do what we want, kill all the enemies along with a few thousand civilians and destroying several cities, and after doing everything say that we won and we are sorry for all the 'collateral' damages. But we can't do that can we?

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  193. Guys,

    Thiru, Puli, Boss, Shyam and Peter have collectively seen a false dawn, and air the noises, after being intoxicated by its illusionary effects.

    Male birds make the same noise in similar circumstances, in the hope they won their mating partners over; in most cases, if not all, these winged-creatures get this signal wrong and then turn the morning chorous into a pandemonium, out of sheer frustration.

    If this bunch of passive Tigers sees a temporary setback as an inevitable defeat, there is a serious fault in their field of vision; it can only happen if the eye balls have swapped their position around with something that have a different purpose!

    Watch between the legs, folks, before raising the champaigne glass!

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  194. "Confirmed News says that TAF also has participated for yesterday attack which gave heavy casualties to the SLDF.........."

    Yeah? Was it the F-14 or F-18 squadrons? Please don't post crap here now.....

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  196. Shyam

    TAF ??

    is it Tamil Air force ???

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  197. Chamal,
    if we r going to do this war respecting rules of war 100%.it will surely drag another decade or more as past.. by the time whole srilankan nation get bankrupt.we already have huge public debt exceeding our own GDP.inflation well above 20%.day by oil prices going up in the world market, whole world changing we also have to change.old methods not works here
    another thing.International Community, specially western countries not giving any offensive arms to our forces.we get every thing from ex-soviet countries, pakistan & china.this means if we want to save our SriLanka we have to think twice.... respecting 100% rules of war Or any efficient working method that eliminate LTTE maggots.

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