Wednesday, December 12, 2007

SLAF to get more UAVs, Helicopter Gunships

Several new Unmanned Aerial Vehicles are set to join SLAF fleet, giving a boost to its aerial reconnaissance capabilities which were seriously affected by LTTE's raid on AAB. Four Israeli made Searcher MK II UAVs will be added to 11th UAV flight in the coming days.

Additionally, several Mi-35 Crocodile" gunships of 9th attack helicopter squadron are to undergo overhauling. After the upgrade, these Mi-35s will have all weather/day/night attack capability.  At least 3 more Mi-35s are to be purchased from Russia in a bid to further strengthen SLAF's helicopter gunship fleet.

64 comments:

  1. Defencenet,
    this is great news but i wanted to comment on something else. in 'about defencenet' column youve written Srilanka shouldnt it be Sri Lanka ?

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  2. What is the price that would be incurred on these?

    Are theses UAVs and helicopter gunships being sourced directly or are there any intermediaries involved in the transaction?

    With this acquisition, will the government finally be able to win the war and start work on reconciliation and infrastructure?

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  3. Hakeem (SLMC) quits government! CWC might too.

    According to my calculation, government won by 16 votes last time and SLMC and CWC is 12 and the 2 TNA MPs will bring it to 14. Thats enough votes for the opposition to win the budget.

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  4. This is great news. We need more recon capabilities actually.

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  5. sorry to go off topic, just posting something I posted at DW as well:

    Sea tigers ready for massive operations

    Defencenet any comments on this article? is this a possibility or are these guys smoking something they shouldn't be :) Thanks.

    posted at DW too, just so all get a chance to see and comment.

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  6. Monitoring and attack capability at night is pretty much needed. If we can add ressistance to MANPADs the Mi 24/35 will be much more effective. Mi 24/35 Crocs operating as teams at night is a nightmare for the enemy. Engagement at a distance and firepower will bring a new era. If carefully planned SLAF can take off many valuable targets at night. It will be hit and run warfare in the night sky. I hope the SLAF command has this on the cards. Tigers will have sleepless nights.

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  7. You-Tube video of the Mil35 in action. Shows gunner/pilot cockpit and head up display (HUD) views. Includes demonstrations of its fire-power.

    Unnerving to watch - even on you-tube.

    Searcher MkII page

    Cerno

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  8. Dear Antony,

    In the first place these are not Rolls Royce equipment. These are bady needed equipment.

    Addition of these will save lot of SLDF lives. Also it will save many lives of LTTE caders. What I want to say is when we take the war to a more strategic tactics, LTTE will go down fast. Many will surrender once we take off tactical and command positions. Lives of innocent tamils (now converted to bata slipper army)will surrender and their lives will be saved.

    All in all, sooner this war is over and more advance technologies we use, lives will be saved. This war is to protect innocent people of our Motherland.

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  9. Sri lankan

    In reply to your comment on the previous thread, definitely having more night attack capable aircraft such as the Mi-35's mentioned here will also help the SLN. Hopefully they will be equipped with the FLIR as well, of which we currently have a few.

    See below a video clip of the Searcher II. The FLIR sensors look impressive. Maybe they could be used to locate LTTE artillery positions etc, which can then be taken out by aircraft.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Ggx20XS0g

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  10. (out of topic)

    Our military need to come up with (alternate) stratergies for possible political outcomes.

    0) Under same administration
    1) Within a (sudden) election period
    2) Under UNP, SLFP joint government
    3) Under UNP, CWC, SLMC, etc government
    4) Under a ceasefire

    It is said in USA it's the CIA like bodies that decides the direction rather than congress or president.

    We need our military leadership to smart enough to work with stupid, oppertunistic politicos who are thier commanders, by law.

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  11. Shay.Many thanks for your input and clip.The FLIR is impressive.I thought the Navy FACraft had the new guns(30mm?).Since a massive sea tiger assault is immiment we need to get these airassets like yesterday.It stands to reason given the navy's success in destroying LTTE floating warehouses.
    Ahhaya..yes we need to save as many of the bata slipper gang..after all our gift to the people of the north should NOT be very large cemetaries.As i have said before i am praying the army is saving as many of these kids as possible..but they are in a catch 22 type situation..

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  12. JVP will have to join the government or not vote at the budget. That is the only way the government could win.

    I saw a report on lankaenews that some JVP MPs supporting MP Nandana Gunathilake might form another JVP faction and join the government. Anyone got more infomation regarding this matter?

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  13. http://www.southasianmedia.net/index_story.cfm?id=451026&category=Frontend&Country=SRI%20LANKA-hope we can get some info from these guys about impending attacks..

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  14. Hit the LTTE boats while they are out of water. This we must try and sure SLAF is trying too. If MI can find the loation of these so called boat parks SLAF can hit them. This is where the Crocs come into play. Tactical bombing by SLAF KFIRs and Migs will have little effect if many boats are dispersed around trees etc... Five crocs flying in formation and blasting with the 30mm gun and the rockets can damage and demoralize LTTE boat hardware and caders. Use of Crocs is a must. Jets have their own edge. Helicopters have their own edge.

    It is a fact the Helicopters are vulnerable to MANPAD and even RPG and 5.0. But,
    manyways to counter this, first we must have counter measures for the MANPADs in the Crocs, then master tacticians of the SLAF should come in. Or hire from Ukrain or Russia. And plan the manuvers and engagement to minimize the hits on the Crocs. We might loose a few or get damaged, but if properly planned the out come will be valuable. This is Flying MBTs and Flying Mech Infantry.

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  15. Abhaya..well said.what we need are hit and run tactics by the airforce..day and night..of course on military targets..

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  16. Abhaya,

    The SLAF Mi-24/35 do have anti-missile countermeasures. They come equipped with a Russian ECM suite which has not been effective against MANPAD's in the past, so most have been upgraded with Israeli Elta systems. That is why we havent had any losses recently.

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  17. Jack,

    Thanks for the link../

    This sounds scary...

    LTTE may be gearing for an assault on Jaffna, after all...

    We need 24 hour survillence over Vanni...

    Better do it now before it is too late.

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  18. Military warns of ‘explosive’ ice cream vendors

    The military today warned of moves by the LTTE to carry out terrorist attacks in the guise of ice cream vendors on bicycles. (Daily Mirror)

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  19. Shay,

    I knew about the counter measures, but was not sure whether all choppers have it.

    My other fear is we are not sure how many MANPAD Ammo is left with the LTTE. Suerly VP might be saving some to cover his back. If I am not mistaken these Missiles have a shelf life in the fuel that they use.

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  20. At least 20 Sri Lanka Army (SLA) soldiers were killed and more than 75 wounded when Liberation Tigers repulsed a two-pronged ground movement Tuesday in Mannnaar, according to LTTE military spokesman Irasiah Ilanthirayan. After heavy fighting that lasted from 12:30 p.m. till 3:30 p.m. Tuesday, the SLA began retreating in two fronts in Adampan and Paalaikkuzhi. At 6:00 p.m. the SLA was pushed back to its original Forward Defence Line (FDL) position. Tigers have seized Rocket Propelled Grenade Launchers, assault rifles and explosives, he said. Three fighters of the LTTE were killed in action. Any news about this....

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  21. Defencenet
    Can you clarify the statement made by Tamilnet about SLF causalities in Vanni front ?

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  22. Can this be true,

    SLA 25 KIA, 75 WIA

    Only 3 LTTE KIA

    Do you think, once the SLA advanced and held the position for days, that they will be just sitting idle enjoying the surrounding.

    If this kind of a battle raged and 25 SLA KIA, then LTTE might have suffered much more.

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  23. http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20071212_06-article corresponding to tamilnet.40,000 troops have been killed in the past 30 yrs due to useless political shits..starting with junius richard...I hope these people who write this "rot" just tell the truth for a change...

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  24. Can someone pls tell me what the airforce was doing at this time?...

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  25. What is this report that another army contingent is going on UN duties to haiti..i wonder how long it will be till they are sent home..obviously for "sexual offenses"...Anyway what news about the report on the previous contingent?...Has it acquired wings and flown away?.These guys are doing exactly what the british did in WW2.That is hiring our brave soldiers for peanuts because they cant afford to pay £100,000 each for each BRITISH SOLDIER KIA.

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  26. Rifard&Cable,

    Is it possible for you to send an email to my email address?

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  27. Dear Srilankan,

    In Mannar the LTTE's push to regain lost ground is nearly a conventional push. SLAF has to use cluster bombs or a pave of bombing if any real assistance to be given.

    This is close Air Support.

    Kfir is not good in this, but the Migs can do some close Air Support. The best suited Air Crafts are A10 TB or Su s. Both are not with us.

    The alternative is to use the Crocs here. I do not know the real situation erupted yersterday, seems SLA has managed the situ with what they have. Crocs has not engaged. We need lot of Mi24/35s to use them effectively. In addition if one or two goes down, the nutty media and inexperienced public will go crazy. Some might even trumpet that we have lost the war. LTTE will also have a media campaign that they have done something that no one have ever achived.

    So everything has to be considered and my feeling is Mi is currently used only when really required. But as I previously suggested we should equip the Crocs with counter measures and use smart tactics to gain the max out of them.

    Please be mindful, Tanks, Helicopters, Gunboats and APCs are at the forefront of the battle. And even a cheap RPG or mine can take them off. This we should understand and shoud not run all over the place when SLDF loose one or two.

    However it is painful when they get destroyed as in Muhamalei or AAFB attack.

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  28. Dear Abhaya..Many thanks for your input..I hope we didn't miss this wonderful opportunity to either kill or capture alive(remote option) as many LTTE cadres as possible..Pls let me know if you hear what really happened..I read this pointless statement that several guns (number) have been damaged..what are these guns mortars?.In reality i dont think even 10% of these long range guns have been DESTROYED.

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  29. SLA casualty figures are nowhere near tamilnet's claim. As far as we know around 10 kia and 25 wia. Ltte attack was defended at all 3 fronts.

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  30. Dear DefenceNet..Many thanks for your input.May the triple gem bless you

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  31. Where is this operation taking place? Who initiated the attack. Or are we defending the newly captured areas in Mannar?

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  32. Defencenet,these Mi-35's,are they the Mi-35 "M" version?..I understand that we currently operate a mixed fleet of 11 Mi-24-V & Mi-35-P.is this correct, & if so,are we gonna upgrade the entire Crocodile fleet?..

    By the way,the Mi-35-P's that we have,don't they already have the "gimball" camera system mounted underneath their belly-coz i have seen it,in the SLAF calendar pix..

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  33. To add to previous comments,the main difference between an Mi-24 & an Mi-35, is that the latter carries a twin-barrel 30mm cannon mounted on the Right-side, & the Mi-24 mounts the traditional 12.7mm machine gun,in a rotating turret up-front..

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  34. Guys, another joker has started seasonal political summersaults. This time to safeguard the dignity of the community he represents!

    I think these opportunists must be pushed into oblivion by the major political parties, rather than relying on them.

    They serve neither their community nor the country as a whole, just themselves in the ugliest manner.

    Late Thonda used to do this political blackmailing while outrageously annoying the majority and for strange reasons, only known to himself, late JR tolerated all that.

    In the end, Thonda became a spent force in his own right and so did his party, after fault lines appeared in all directions.

    I think Rauf Hakeem will follow suit. Nature hates excesses committed by any. So-called representatives of Minorities have no right to expect immunity.

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  35. The main difference between the Mi-25 and Mi-35 isnt the mounting of a 30mm cannon on the left hand side of the cockpit instead of the 12.7mm machine gun. The Mi-35 is just an export designation for the Mi-24P, which is the first Mi-24 to have the 30mm cannon. The current mainstay of the SLAF gunship fleet are Mi-24V's, Mi-24P's and Mi-35's.

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  36. Yes,raptor these russian-fellows surely know how to confuse us!!..for instance,the T-90 MBT,which in reality,is an improved T-72, & the T-80,a revised version of the T-64A..anyways,good to get it clarified,he.he

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  37. c. coin,
    "in 'about defencenet' column youve written Srilanka shouldnt it be Sri Lanka ?"

    Thanks for pointing that out. Our mistake. It'll be corrected in due time.

    antony,
    "With this acquisition, will the government finally be able to win the war and start work on reconciliation and infrastructure?"

    Well antony no one can guarantee that. And most importantly, you can have all the equipment in the world and still not win a war (Take U.S in Vietnam, Iraq for example).

    jack,
    "Sea tigers ready for massive operations
    Defencenet any comments on this article? is this a possibility or are these guys smoking something they shouldn't be :)"

    Well it has always been a threat. MI has warned several times of such attacks (warning became a reality when Black tigers tried to attack Dakshina base). LTTE are known to innovate, They are also known to launch diversionary attacks when they are bogged down on one front. There is no reason to believe they would stop the trend.

    ares,
    "Where is this operation taking place? Who initiated the attack. Or are we defending the newly captured areas in Mannar?"

    If you are talking about yesterday and today, it was the LTTE who tried to regain lost ground. SLA has been defending. Heaviest fighting was near Adampan.

    guru,
    "what about LTTE casualty??"

    We cannot confirm that right now. However ground sources claim it's above 20 KIA.

    renegade,
    "Defencenet,these Mi-35's,are they the Mi-35 "M" version?..I understand that we currently operate a mixed fleet of 11 Mi-24-V & Mi-35-P.is this correct, & if so,are we gonna upgrade the entire Crocodile fleet?.."

    We are not going to overhaul the entire fleet. Around 3 will be upgraded. Another 3 new ones will be purchased. Yes the new purchases are to be of Mi-35M variant.

    Israel has supplied laser designators for SLAf's Bunker Busters. These will no doubt help in conducting precision air strikes. LDs were initially requested from India.

    Apologies if any questions were unanswered.

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  38. DefenceNEt,

    How about keeping details of these new acquisitions quiet at least until they are safely inside an SLAF base?

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  39. We must keep this war of attrition up. Attack the LTTE along their FDLs, from within their territories and from the skies. All the while controlling the seas and sinking any LTTE ships.

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  40. Defencewire is reporting on upgrades for SLN attack crafts...
    Things are getting ever more difficult for tigers these days...
    great news all around :)
    Hopefully this cursed war will end soon so that all can live in peace and enjoy great things in life :)

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  41. Yes SLN has received another set of long awaited 30mm cannons plus survillance and guided radars.

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  42. DefenceNet

    I have the same question that jack raised..
    what make them elite????

    I like to know from U
    about "Major General Janaka Perera"
    as we know he's brave person,
    person who wiped out the JVP terror

    like to know more, could you pls.

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  43. http://www.droitshumains-geneve.info/spip.php?article2546-way to go Dr Dayan Jayatilleke-well said.

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  44. Better quality troops. It what makes say the Gajabas or the Sinha Rifles better than say the SLNG or the Ordnance Corps. Charles Anthony & Imran Pandiyan troops are also better trained and equipped than other Tiger units, have had more experience aand haave less conscripts.

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  45. Out of topic but from the previous topic.


    My guess is that , LTTE will attack on a very wide and large multiple fronts on Jaffna instead of comming along A9 like most of you guys are anticipating..LTTE will not comming along A9.

    That will be a nightmarish scenario when the SLA need to fight almost everywhere instead of just around Muhamalee FDL, like last year.

    The LTTE might be looking around 10000 strong force to do this(ok I revised my figure after the previous humiliation of 30000 ...lol..)

    Given the present strength of the LTTE, they can raise this number..

    What we need to do is 24 hour surveillence of the enemy territory by employing all available resources..We need real time information over the LTTE territory..I guess , sophisticated satellites can pinpoint all the LTTE strong points if everything fails.


    Otherwise, One fine day SLA will find the hardway that they are about to face mother of all wars...

    It's like physics, if the SLA presure the LTTE in their Vauynia FDL'S the LTTE in return will try to overrun northern FDL's to capture Jaffna..That is the EXIT strategy of the LTTE...Nothing else.

    On the other hand, we need to avoid any more AAB style attacks..
    An AAB style attack on Trinco will doom the SLA in Jaffna..

    May the force be with you.....

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  46. Dear Tangara,

    Further describe your strategy, is this 10,000 from the Jaffna penninsula, or are they going to cross the shallow waters of the lagoon (according to yor theory, they do not take the A9, Muhamaley route).

    If they are inside the Jaffna peninsula, it is defineitly trouble. It will be house to house fighting, with lot of civilian casualties and lot of problems in identifying civilians from LTTE.

    But to do this LTTE should have lot of arms inside the peninsula and it can be a possibility. Major trouble for LTTE will be coordination and command, as there will be lot of converted inexperienced hands and pushed to war people.

    My belief is this can be identified through intel and moles among the civilians. Anti riot tactics will be able to cease the majority of the effectiveness of this kind of an op.


    Secondly, if they choose to cross the shallow waters and attack Jaffna, it will be devastating for them. Crossing salt water, sand and mud amidst shell, MBRL fire is one of the worst things that can happen to a less experienced cader.

    We must agree that they will send their inexperienced cross first.

    All in all, an uprising inside Jaffna peninsula is dangereous, but crossing the lagoon will be devastating in all angles to the LTTE.

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  47. Abhaya,

    Thanks for the explanation...You are a gem...

    Yes, I am thiking LTTE might go for the combination of those two i.e. an uprising inside Jaffna and at the same time a ground attack on FDL's...Since Muhamalee is heavily mined(i guess this is the case) LTTE might use other routes including the shallow waters...

    At times I am thinking, I might be halucinating and seen tunnel vision thanks to this war...lol...

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  48. Tangara, I think you're wrong about a 10,000-strong attack on Jaffna. The LTTE cannot afford to sacrifice that many troops (basically their hard core units) in a pitched battle, especially not on the restrictive Jaffna Peninsula. Unless they expect to overrun the peninsula in a matter of hours (unlikely), they will becaome bogged down in gruelling toe-to-toe combat, during which they will be cut to pieces by our SLAF and Arty. It will also mean that they will be reliant on the Sea Tigers for resupply and casevac, and that's too risky, given that they cannot hold off the SLN in totality. Also, the southern shore of the Jaffna Lagoon will be within MBRL range. Finally, any retreat will be almost impossible. The LTTE needs to fully secure the northern Wanni before they can launch a determined attack on Jaffna. For that they need to be able to suppress our arty on the peninsula so that areas like Pooneryn can be used for forming up. None of this is possible right now. In other words, it's a bit of a stalemate.

    Even with the Wanni secure as it was a few years ago, the LTTE push on Jaffna failed. They won't have forgotten that yet.

    An uprising within Jaffna is also unlikely to be more than a symbolic gesture since the necessary heavy crew-served weapons could not have been smuggled in.

    Right now, the weather is worsening in the NE doue to the onset of the monsoon and I think whaat we''re more likely to see is hit&run raids by the Tigers like they did on Apura, but maybe more widespread, combined with localised counterattacks against the Army FDLs that have just been moved forward.

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  49. I think if the LTTE are going launch an attack with 10,000 say..they will bribe one military commander to ensure that the rockets(MBRL) are directed to the sea or out of harms way..

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  50. DefenceNet - any truth in the tamilnet article on "Jaffna passenger aircraft crash lands in Ratmalana". Dailymirror also has a reference.

    Is it true the expo aviation was sent back and forth from BIA and ratmalana both refusing landing permission ?

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  51. During the monsoon season are our armoured vehicles sitting ducks or can they be used for offensive/defensive operations?

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  52. http://www.lankatruth.com/full_story/2007/Dec/13/20071213_05.htm-Gentlemen what do you think about this?..i mean where do there guys get off?..if this is true that is..maybe there just to sell papers..

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  53. Romealpha, yes the story is true. Only minor damages to aircraft and no one is hurt. Cause is suspected to be a landing gear malfunction.

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  54. Romealpha, yes the story is true. Only minor damages to aircraft and no one is hurt. Cause is suspected to be a landing gear malfunction.

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  55. In My Opinion LTTE will not always go fr Jaffna as many of us predicted and they may launch an attack in other front like Weli-Oya where they can take control of Trincomalee if they managed to damage and capture Weli Oya and this will make them easy to cut the supply routes for Jaffna.They may launch attacks on ecnomic and Milateri targets that cuts the supply line to Jaffna and then they can go for JAffna. butt we have to wait and see what the time tell us

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  56. In My Opinion LTTE will not always go fr Jaffna as many of us predicted and they may launch an attack in other front like Weli-Oya where they can take control of Trincomalee if they managed to damage and capture Weli Oya and this will make them easy to cut the supply routes for Jaffna.They may launch attacks on ecnomic and Milateri targets that cuts the supply line to Jaffna and then they can go for JAffna. butt we have to wait and see what the time tell us

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  57. LTTE Heavily Involved In Fund Raising For Hilary Clinton In New Jersey.

    click here.

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  58. patriot,
    "I like to know from U
    about "Major General Janaka Perera"
    as we know he's brave person,
    person who wiped out the JVP terror"

    We can only comment on his military career as we do not have confirmed information on his activities during 87-89.

    As we said earlier he commanded the army garrison at Weli-Oya in mid 1990s and it was during his time Janakapura was developed.

    Then he commanded the army's elite 53rd division. Under his command, 53rd division played an active role in operation Riviresa which reached Jaffna in 1996.

    He is also praised for coordinating rescue ops when EPS fell in 2000.

    After EPS fell, Janaka Perera was appointed the military commander for Jaffna. By this time LTTE's unceasing waves had reached the doorstep of Jaffna. Gen Perera commanded operation Kinihira which held off invading LTTE units preventing the fall of Jaffna.

    He was appointed as the army chief in 2000 and after one year in 2001 he retired.

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  59. Janaka Perera was never appointed as the army chief?

    Defencenet you are dead wrong

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  60. magnet,
    Sorry about that. One missing word made all the difference :) our mistake.

    It should be corrected as below:

    "He was appointed as the army chief of staff in 2000 and after one year, in 2001 he retired."

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  61. A mass gathering of abt 10,000 would be a bonus. That level of activity would bring in the big warthog out of the hole and that may be a grear opportunity for MI to track the communications and target the centers. Let's hope for some such happeing.

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  62. just a comment that is great the AF is getting more UAVs and Helos but this time can they employ them in a series of combined operations, adn in addition they should focus on keeping these birds in the fight and not on getting more, maybe reduce the types of airframes...this war needs a COIN aircraft not another jet interceptor...UAVs! yes, HINDS! yes, Jets NO! kind of like the army I don't even know how many divisions they have any more but they have a lot and we still don't see a combined unified country effort....sorry main point more units great, but I do like the UAVs and HINDS...more of them...

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