Sunday, December 2, 2007

LTTE bunker line at Manthai overrun

Sri Lanka Army (SLA) soldiers deployed in the Mannar defense lines were able to overrun LTTE's first bunker line in Manthai region (South of Adampan) yesterday. Soldiers of the 57th division spearheaded by Special Infantry (SI) formations carried out the limited offensive. The bunker line is now completely under SLA control. Meanwhile sporadic clashes were reported in the Perya-Thampanai region in Vavuniya and also in Weli Oya. According to Military intelligence reports, 16 LTTE cadres have been killed and nearly 40 more have been wounded in battle during the last two days. 4 SLA soldiers have been killed and 16 more have received injuries in the confrontations.

The army has increased the number of small scale attacks on the frontlines which guard the entrances to Wanni LTTE heartland. SLA has deployed 3 newly raised offensive formations along with elite Special Forces regiments on three fronts near Wanni defense lines.

In addition to 57th, 58th, 59th divisions and 1st and 2nd Special Forces regiments, the Mechanized Infantry Division has also been strategically placed in the area. Mechanized Infantry Division (MID) is comprised of regular infantry formations and vehicles of SLA armored corps such as heavy tanks, armored personnel carriers (APC) and infantry fighting vehicles (IFV). After the loss of 12 vehicles (6 tanks + 6 IFVS) in the failed advance at Muhamalai last year, 100 new Chinese built APCs have been added to Mechanized Infantry Division's inventory.

Meanwhile army's 55th division and the elite 53rd division have also been placed on high alert in the Jaffna peninsula. 55th division has played an active role in the 4th Eelam War with a number of successful small scale attacks on LTTE frontlines near the National Front (Muhamalai/Kilali/NagarKovil region) under their belt.

According to latest Intelligence reports, the LTTE has decided to attack both military and civilian targets in the South to disrupt civilian life as much as possible. MI warns of an LTTE plan to attack several major cities simultaneously (including Colombo and Kandy) and cause widespread panic and fear among civilians. The WTC twin towers, Colombo harbor and the city of Kandy are said to be among primary targets of the LTTE. According to MI, LTTE intelligence cadres disguised as beggars, differently-abled people and sales representatives have already been deployed to gather intel on these targets.

Meanwhile Defence.lk has made available a video showing the assassination attempt of minister Douglas Devananda. Video includes security camera footage which clearly shows the female suicide bomber detonate the bomb strapped to her bra inside an office filled with civilians. You can download the video from this link

153 comments:

  1. Thanks defencenet for the good news. The attempt on the life of Devananda is another blunder by the LTTE. They never expected it to recorded in top quality video. This also shows the need for carefull and thorough security checks needed on suspicous civillians. After 7/7 in London asians were checked morethan the whites. When the press questiond the police chief about descrimination he simply replied since all the bombers are asian muslims we have to check them. Simple as that. But when we do the same on tamils it appers wrong.

    The bomber appears incridibly calm up to a point and prematurely blasts her self off. Had she waited may be she could have gone to see the minister. The security check would have missed the bomb in the chest. This shows a deterioration of the quality of suicide cadres I think.LTTE seems to be desparate to get in to somehigh grounds.

    More than the destruction from the bombs I am worried about the havoc that may be caused by the rumours. Imagine one phone call could delay flights, close schools etc. Our authorities are not geared to handle such situations.

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  2. An unconventional war needs unconventional tactics.

    There are two wars going on 1) the conventional military formations at FDLs and 2)the counter terror war in civilian areas.

    Sri Lanka is one of the few countries in the world that has sucessfully and brutally suppressed an insurgency in recent history.This is namely the JVP uprising.When the JVP was targetting the military/ politicians and their families the gloves came off.The JVP insurrection was quashed with pure brutality and counter terror.So we know what we can do against our own people let alone LTTE scum.

    The use of such counter terror tactics and extra judicial methods is the only way to stop the LTTE in civilian areas.As unpalatable as it sounds the use of targetted terror against the enemy will disrupt their networks , create enough chaos within their own ranks as to prevent many attacks.

    The use of LTTE sleepers is well documented.The ability of the LTTE to infiltrate Sinhala areas must be disrupted.

    The Israeli method of sequestering civilian areas and limiting movement from one are to another must be used.The use of random checkpoints and searches are effective but they by their nature will bring random results.
    The Israeli fortress mentality of anyone outside the security walls/fences is the enemy until proven otherwise is effective.The identity and ability to track individuals who enter and clear security screening is paramount.

    All military and valuable economic targets must be protected 24/7 their surrounding areas must be continually screened.

    How do LTTE snipers rent a house of a Tamil next door to Lakshman Kadirgamar undetected?
    How does the LTTE attack Katunayake international airport?
    How did the LTTE assassin get close to Premadasa?
    These things did not happen by accident but by exploiting basic security weaknesses ,that must be continually assessed , adapted and modified to stay ahead of the enemy.

    Innovative tactics and irrgular security methods must be adopted.

    This is a war for the very survival of the Sinhala nation.

    The use of targetted killings whether up close and personal , sniper or SLAF bombing has the desired effect of striking terror into the very terrorist being.

    It has been said that to defeat terrorism you have to make it more dangerous to be a terrorist than the victim.

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  3. Most of the credit should go to Army chief. During the ceasfire under UNP when all the forces were sleeping, when training were curtailed due to dwindling ammunition stocks he was hell bent on training the 8 man LRRP groups. He is harvesting is hard work. With credits ofcource to the boys,and last but least Gota and MR's political non-interference!

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  4. lion
    I agree with you but unfortunately we are not USA.We are not even Iran for that matter. If we do that we will simply be playing in to the hands of LTTE, inviting foriegn interference. The answer unfortunately is not that simple.MR would like to do exactly what you suggest but poor fellow hasn't got the money or the political support. He is on a tight rope but progreessing.

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  5. Look how the assclowns at AFP reported their tour of Jaffna city. There is sarcasm written all over this article.

    http://www.lbo.lk/fullstory.php?newsID=677199853&no_view=1&SEARCH_TERM=33

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  6. Mottapala and Lion,

    Keep up the good work...

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  7. Thank you Defencenet for the update.

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  8. This is on a different subject but related to Sri lanka.

    Even though some of you guys live overseas, you still can buy stuff that were produced in Sri Lanka.

    For an example, recently I bought a Sri Lankan made floor mat from a department store in South Pacific..I saw Sri Lankan Ginger Beer being sold in an Australia Super market chain on a recent visit there..If you look carefully, you will find Sri Lankan made stuff apart from Tea occasionally..Some Sri Lankan grocerries in overseas sell Samba Rice ..If you chip in by buying Sri Lankan produce in overseas, you are contributing to the Sri Lankan economy..


    Please remember this..

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  9. Lightning struck tower
    it is simply third class journalism.

    I think he is angry because the army didn't bend their backs and treated him like royal. Did he expect an airconditioned armour plated Hummer II?

    And what if he comes to london and ask wether people are happy? They are not. Gang violence, theft, burglary, rape, murder,rubbish problem, too much tax, lack of health care, poor education etc etc.

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  12. tangara
    To contribute to your list,

    Allmost all cildrens clothing and womens ligerie in Marks & Spencer in UK

    Coconut milk in most super markets

    Best designer ceramics [damn expensive though]....

    And if you open an NRFC in CBO, high interest rates and tax free, You still can withdraw money from overseas, no limits!

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  13. Mottapala,

    Thanks for the comment...

    Have you ever thought of changing the name of your handle...?

    lol..

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  14. The suicide bomber video is the 2nd most watched video on Youtube tube today:

    http://www.youtube.com/browse?t=t&p=1&s=mp&c=25&l=

    It is the 4th most discussed video on youtube today:

    http://www.youtube.com/browse?t=t&p=1&s=md&c=25&l=

    It is the 5th most favourited video on youtube today:

    http://www.youtube.com/browse?t=t&p=1&s=mf&c=25&l=

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  15. http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/11/britains-lost-d.html


    Imagine , LTTE getting this information...

    Lets see what the British Scotland Yard is capable of...

    Will the BBC reporters laugh at their own government/masters...?

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  16. The way to do it is just do it,but tell no one!
    If a place blows up , or certain people drop dead or disappear just shrug your shoulders and say "Not us.." or better still say nothing.

    The invisible war is the one everyone can play a role in. Inform on anyone who is suspect, any unusual behaviour .It has helped to detect claymores etc.
    If everyone gets involved in their respective communities/villages a stranger/LTTE will stick out.
    Areas with high Tamil populations in Sinhala areas need to be kept under tight control.There should be no travel of especially Tamils from the East/North to the South.I understand trains, buses cars still have easy access.Why not mail out invitations to the homicide bombers.


    Is this racist , of course it's racist this is a racist war , get over it!. Apart from vadai/thosai, some guy who flicks a cricket ball very well and getting some tea leaves picked what the hell has come out of this tamil <-> sinhala relationship?

    Sure everyone knows a few Tamils here and there who seem to be decent.Sure everyone has a Tamil "friend" but the reality is would you trust them to look after your children or loved ones?If the enemy is spawned from one population/culture then who do you trust among them?The answer is simple, trust no one.

    I am not advocating genocide , or mass murder.I am advocating that if you do not look after your own people ,no one else will.

    At the end of the day the Indians don't give a shit, they started this monster from the very beginning (Indira you got "owned" , you bitch,only if you lived long enough to see your son Rajiv get whacked by the very LTTE you help create!).Pakistan is helping us because we are just another RAW vs ISI killing ground.Iran gives us help cause it will piss America off , and etc , etc .

    Forget all these other countries , just do what we have to do.No one else will want to "invade" get involved in this dirty little ethnic conflict.The Indians tried and got their asses kicked.Remember at the end of the day the LTTE are good but not that good.
    Their greatest acheivement has been the exploitation fo the Sinhala complacency, corruption and political treachery( the traitors from within).We the Sinhala are our own worst enemy, not the LTTE.
    When the LTTE first killed(pre1983) , what did we say ?We called them "the boys". When they numbered just 10-20 what did we do? Nothing--> "their not big, we can deal with them whenever we want to..."

    We need to beleive in ourselves as a people.We must understand to our core that we can do this ourselves ,we have on countless occasions in the thousands of years of tamil(Chola) conflict this Island has had.
    There has never been peaceful coexistance between Tamils and Sinhala. It has only been lulls between fighting while preparing for the next stage/evolution of the 3000 year war!
    Before we used elephants ,swords, arrows and spears now we use MBRLs , jets and main battle tanks.

    If you want to see what real genocide would be like just think what it would be like if fatboy Prabha rules Lanka?

    Just imagine for one second what would happen to all Sinhala! It sends a chill down my spine-->concentration death camps , mass muder , rape , torture would be just the start.
    Do we do the same to them , ->NO.
    We just kill those who need to be killed.We make those that need to disappear , disappear. How is this done? by good domestic intelligence service modelled along the way of Shin Bet/Shabak(Israeli secret service).You get informers , pay rewards for information . You recruit within the Tamil communities and Tamil speaking Muslims and you , interrogate and followup on all leads.Then you go get your targets.

    Remember this does not need to be a high tech war nor expensive, good intel acted upon with a 9mm bullet and kerosene bonfire are still very effective.

    Will innocent Tamils be killed.Yes ofcourse , as do many innocent Sinhala villagers/farmers who are sliced up (so LTTE can save bullets).But this is a dirty war and those who do not want to get ther fingernails dirty need to get out of their air conditioned cars/apartments and fancy shopping centers and see what is really happening to the everday Sinhala person trying to survive.

    The political solution is quite simple , there can be no seperate state.(go to Tamil Nadu) they need to relise that Sri Lanka is a Sinhala state.If they want to live peacefully so be it , but if they want to fight they to will share the suffering tenfold.

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  17. Defencenet

    What kind are the new APCs we have brought? Are they of the WZ551 type?

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  18. lion ..you under estimate them...the LTTE supporting tamil diaspora are very clever.They started this war..Now look at what is happening..we are using our sinhala youth to save these guys from the people they supported i n the first place?..our sinhala boys have suffered twice once due to the jvp uprising..and now being killed by mines because the majority of the army are sinhalese boys.(This was ranils thinking when he signed the ceasefire stupidly..he may have thought ok..you wanted VP so now live with him..i just feel sorry for the innocent tamils who have got caught in this who had no choice but to support VP). So the sinhala boys were killed by their own people once and now by tamil seperatists..ok not all tamils are LTTE..there are several parties..the genuine peoples like Hon Devananda was happy to find some kind of political solution.The best way to fight the LTTE is to unite as a race and help each other including other non violent tamils and other minorities..

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  19. what i missed out was that here you get the LTTE tamils (overseas) who are educating their kids at the best universities in the world making millions while a poor soldier is paid what Rs 15,000?...which is what say $100 a month to sacrifice his life.??? to save a poor section of the tamil community who are despised by the LTTE disaphora.The key here is a good education with skills that are marketable overseas.

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  20. The best single way to stop bombs coming into the south is to have bomb sniffing dogs at checkpoints in the southern cities. The detection abilities of a dog's nose is incredible, its truly a wonder of nature.

    There is no device yet invented that can come close to being as effective as a dog's nose in detecting explosives.

    Dogs are also easier to maintain and take care of than some complex machine.

    In addition to bomb sniffing dogs we must also have about 500-1000 security cameras installed at important locations in all major southern cities. These cameras can help spot suspicious behavior and identify a suspect after a bombing occurs.

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  21. Am i correct in thinking that from now on each street in the south is going to have some kind of "lookout" for the want of a better word.

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  22. srilankan

    You are right the diaspora are putting their kids through good universities and colleges. These offspring in general don't show the desire for Tamil nationalism and Eelam like their parents did. Some do, but most don't. Probably most will grow up and marry whites, as it has been the case with most immigrants kids(expect muslims).

    Because of this silly war, the Tamil areas of Lanka have been ruined and the development levels in those areas are equal to places in Sub-Saharan Africa or lower. Those places are so backward, that it will take a long time for them to catch up to the rest of the country. The diaspora can thank VP for all this.

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  23. srilanka

    Is that question directed at me?

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  24. Guys, look at this. Copied from Lanka Gaurdian.



    [member of a Malaysian trade delegation visiting India Friday sought to dismiss protests by ethnic Indians in his country saying Tamils there considered themselves Malaysians first.

    'We are not interested in ethnic origins. We are Malaysians first and the issues will be dealt at the political level,' said R. Karunakaran, general director of the Malaysian Industrial Development Authority.

    He was responding to a question whether Malaysia was likely to become another Sri Lanka with festering ethnic problems.]

    What a nice approch. Tamils are becoming a problem all over the world, just second to muslims.

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  25. Thanks GE for your input.Mind you GE the tamil diaspora are making sure that their kids dont marry whites which i hope they do.If they marry the majority races where they life the Slankan tamil identity will cease to exist overseas..Why do i get this feeling that this is exactly what tamil parents dont want?
    Well i read somewhere that after the nugegoda incident there was a plan to create some kind of "lookout" for each street.. yes each street..just wanted to know if anyone else has heard the same thing which is wonderful..

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  26. WOW! What a clean up! A total “sudda kerilla” as we patriots like to say. In this case, no, I don’t mean liquidating the LTTE maggots with extreme prejudice, but what I mean is the clean up Hon. DefenceNet did, I see in the other thread! What a difference a night makes! LMSSAO!

    I am not sure what exchange happened after I went to bed last night after leaving a post (it’s still Dec 02 morning here) and viola, when I checked in now, it’s all gone…gone for good! LMSSAO!

    Yep, what a difference a night makes…it was the same sudda-kerilla when SLAF disintegrated the smiling barber…when I went bed he was still cockily smiling and in the morning, lo and behold, they were scooping him up off the ground with spades! LMSSAO!

    DefenceNet, I respect your decision to clean up the litter…too many deranged animal/monster body parts strewn all over this esteemed blog!

    I for one will abstain from voting as I feel I have been too close to causing some of the animal/monster body parts to litter in this forum – unavoidable effect from cyber-warfare with terrorists and undercover-terrorists unfortunately! LMSSAO!

    Anyway, about this “sudda kerilla” I must tell you how I once met an ex-SF on a visit to Canada (he’s a wounded and discharged and found his way to Canada as his brother is in Canada) and he told me “api thami ithin sudda kerillata giyey…api sudda keruwama, bin-oorekwath ithuru wenney neha & api kisi-deyak prakasaya karanney neha & LTTE eken-uth kisi-deyak prakasaya karanney neha ”…!!! I loved it and my heart went out to him and his mates (still serving in the SF per him).

    Great news about the southward shrinking of bunker line from Mannar. The good thing is there are concerted pushes up from Vavuniya too…basically, SLDF will sandwich the maggots in between a “thin crust” hopefully not long.

    As for intel reports of LTTE infiltrating Colombo (“the south”) for attacks, I hear soon there will be “unusual measures” in place to manage such threat. If you guys recall, soon after Gota had taken over the Def. Secretary position, retired DIG Kotakadeniya was placed in charge of “sudda kerilla” in Colombo and boy, did he ever do a good job. In no time, with dawn raids, blitz cordon & searches, black-hooded “gonibellas,” etc. he was able to bust LTTE safe houses in the city & environs and then RW=TNA=LTTE camp sprang into action and protested strongly and had him removed from that role. I remember reading at that a piece from a columnist that one day, the defense establishment will regret that decision…and looks like that day has come!

    OaO Asithri

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  27. Welcome Lion!

    Some good points.. but I believe that Israeli type barbed wired separation and screening can not be done in Sri Lanka, because we are simply a poor nation that does not have USA back as they do have with Israel.

    If you are powerful, you can sacrify some Human Rights for the safety of the masses. But when you are poor and in the third-world with no one strongly backing you, your options become limited.

    Terrorism can never be defeated without brute force, unless the leaders who spread terrorism stop it by some enlightenment, which is extremely rare given the halo effect of personal glorification they receive from their immediate masses for their terrorist acts.

    What usually happens is, terrorism starts. Nations do not use brute force (they are slow to response). It encourages terrorists to go deeper and deeper, until the governments realise what they really needs to do to stop them. By that time, the terrorists have grown and become a big boy. It requires huge amount of resources and unprecedented brute-force to bring the terrorists into senses.

    Then you have two avenues. You crush the terrorist leadership totally or make the terrorist leadership realise that they have no other options but to come into democratic route.

    This is how most of the terrorist moments in the world have ended, if ended.

    Brute force is the "only" answer to ending terrorism. Many try to mix that with terrorists coming into negotiation table. When brute force knock on their very door, many terrorist leaders realise to give-up their campaigns.

    Many of the terrorist campaigns start as small wet dreams i.e. cottage industry. Initial success and ignorance of authorities allow them to quickly grow. That's why any kind of terrorism should be crushed at the very first opportunity with brute force.

    Singapore is a great example. They did just that when terrorism was brewing in its early stages.

    Now, many world leaders do the same. Sometimes, you even do not hear about them either. You just end it right there for the benefit of the masses.

    For the security and safety of more than 19 million people, event though with hesitation, Sri Lankan government also should take extreme, but accurate measures to crush this terrorist menace. They have to constantly target the leadership of LTTE and eliminate them. Ten twenty terrorist minds can not be allowed to take 19M peace loving people into hostage.

    The Sri Lankan government is way too late still. They have lot to catch-up.

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  28. noltte=peace..all this is our fault.It can be attributed to the insane desire to hang on to power (starting with that power hungry donkey J.R..and a score of politicians)and Treachery.Most of the past politicians were ruling SLanka(if you can call it that) according to what they had learnt in London and did not address the needs of the people.
    Asithri..lets wait till the final budget read.I want to see how JVP will vote.

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  29. I am wondering whether LTTE has obtained the patent for "Suicide Bra"?

    Could have been sold millions in the "Shopping Channel", QVC, and "As Seen on TV" channels across Europe, North America and Australia.

    Douglas Devanda office footage can be used to demonstrate how it is operated.

    Sarcastic it may be, it shows how LTTE is innovating (SLDF are far behind and totally rely on the foreigners to do the inventing for us).

    On another dimension, these are the brains that could have been put to developing the Sri Lankan economy benefiting all the peoples, if there was not terrorism.

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  30. The reason for the dilution of nationalism is the realization in the younger minds that the world of today and tommorrow are sans borders. That makes it sans territiriality and the only motivator being commerce and wealth creation. This is where organozations such as the LTTE who consider 'Business BAD for WAR' have no future or appeal with the younger generation.

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  31. Guys;

    The video on the assisnation attempt is a great resource for those who study international terror, criminal justice, organizational behavior and psychology, and in the college of business; the growth potential for international terror in the process of globalization.

    Please make sure you distribute this highly educational piece of research material to universities and other interested parties with an appropriate explanation.

    This is more important than we may realize right now. This can be the starting point of a great awareness campaign.

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  32. As a behavioral study, this will bring home the true meaning of terror to the western mind, which considers terror to be alien looking and threatening to start with. The world has never seen anything like this before, where a person speaks quite civilly with its chosen victim before detonating him/herself in a mutual annihilation.

    The world needs to see this. It needs to understand what true terror is; the ruthlessness of self-annihilation for an abstract objective, with no relevance to a modern day world.

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  33. Tangara

    You are on the right track, but not far enough.

    The next step is to speak to the store managers and those in supplies and logistics and ask for particular items that we know are made in SL by name. This is demand driven economics where you create the market for the goods. We did this successfully here in the US and every Sunday I get to have a can of toddy, straight from Ja-ela, through my local retail store in the US mid west.

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  34. Guys

    You can also google to find discussion forums on terrorism, politics etc. Even those who've never heard abt SL or the LTTE ( a lot have though) needs to be shown this video. Please put in a link or upload to those sites where possible.

    Let the world understand the true horror of tamil terror.

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  35. lighting_struck_tower

    I think I read the same article on the front page of LNP. It was hilarious to read, I almost fell out of my chair laughing.

    The author is definately sarcastic. But I am not sure if everything what is said about Jaffna is true or not for I haven't been their myself. But one does get the feeling from reading that article that the author is biased.

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  36. A job for those who live in SL:

    Here's an extract from an AFP report published online:

    "...The Tamil Tigers have fought the government since 1983 to create a separate homeland for ethnic minority Tamils in the north and east, following a history of discrimination by successive governments controlled by the majority ethnic Sinhalese..."
    [ http://www.theacademic.org/index.shtml ]

    While never being one in support of any form of censorship, I believe in the need for responsible journalism. This article makes a serious accusation which cannot be substantiated by any evidence. When the media makes a statement to the world, it has a grave responsibility to make certain that the statement is backed by irrefutable proof. This is slander against an entire nation.

    Please take this issue up with the relevant authorities. Also at an individual or organizational level, the author and the media both can be sued for slander.

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  37. TropicalStorm

    mate ihv seen this same sentense again and again publish by AFP guys .. any reporting they do they put this at the end .. this can turn the hole story upside down ... basterds

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  38. AFP has become a hostile political movement within our borders.

    There is a need to deal with this.

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  39. Tropical Storm, Hasalaka, and Hemantha,

    About 6 -7 years ago, one of the heroic Sri Lankan who lives in New York, took New York Times to the Courts and got compensation for fundamental rights violation by the newspaper's false reporting on Sri Lankan conflict.

    He got an apology as well as compensation that he donated to a war orphanage in Sri Lanka.

    The same thing should be done to AFP for false reporting which makes every peace loving citizen of Sri Lanka's fundamental rights being violated.

    The AFP journalists in Sri Lanka claims that they are hopeless, because the discriminatory phrases are being inserted to their articles by the Asian Sub Edit Desk.

    There were some recent wide accusations that this AFP Sub Edit Desk is on LTTE Payroll.

    Someone needs to take AFP to the task.

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  40. NOLTTE=Peace and Srilankan thanks for your comments I agree with you both.

    We Sinhala tend to underestimate not just the LTTE but ourselves!

    Yes expat Tamils do well, yes the Tamil diaspora do well but so do the Sinhala.We produce many successful graduates , engineers ,doctors computer experts etc.

    We have the ability to grow our own military domestically.We have engineers , software prgrammers etc.We need to tap into our own collective resources.

    We can produce many of our own hardware/boats/ APCs / bombs/mortars.

    You do not need to reinvent the wheel but copy existing technology/resources.If we invest in our own local economy and industry it will evolve into a valuable asset.

    The LTTE do it all the time with even less resources than we have. Remember they make landmines , mortars , bombs and boats.

    We are already treading roughly on human rights.It happens all the time.The world is too busy with their own problems to actually enter the fray here.

    What needs to be done is done with quiet ruthless efficiency.

    As far as rounding up suspects and dealing with them it is already happening quote from the hindu/ nation ....
    www.hindu.com/2007/12/03/stories/2007120355591600.htm

    "Separately, The Nation, a weekly paper, reported that more than 800 Tamils were arrested in Colombo since Friday during combined search operations launched by the security forces and police, following Wednesday’s bomb blasts.

    The paper said that some 100 detenus have been sent to the Boossa detention camp in Galle following the arrests. “Around 350 Tamils were initially detained on Friday by the Maradana, Pettah, Grand Pass, Kotahena, Dehiwala, Pelawatte, Mirihana and Mount Lavinia police stations on suspicion.

    “However, the number had increased to over 800 by last evening”, the paper said.

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  41. Nolte=Peace

    There are plenty of organizations in SL that can sue these guys in SL courts. Does anyone have a link to the JVP, who have proven time and again their versatility in this kind of activity ?

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  42. perein,

    "Defencenet;
    We should work out how to reach wider community especially international with incident like Narahenpita suicide bombing because it's got video footage.
    Could provide to most people what normal people have to face day in day out in Sri Lanka.

    Currently we do have the Narahenpita incident in few web areas. However getting an e-mail format going could reach wider audience. Therefore is there a way you can collect defnet blog auiance's mail addresses? May be getting people to subscribe to you?
    Then def blog to send a special events to the list of people (I'm sure you will blind copy the list of people during the mail) . This will enable users like my self to forward the mails to others, inc. international readers.
    Thoughts?"

    Good idea. Actually we already have a service which automatically delivers our posts via email the moment we paste them. You can subscribe to that using the E-Mail subscriptions widget on the right hand.

    If we are to spread news about important topics (for example the suicide bombing video as you said), we are thinking of using the same database of e-mail addresses. So anyone who subscribes using 'E-mail subscriptions" will get those mails too.

    What do you think?

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  43. "he LTTE is said to be extorting huge sums of money from civilians in the government controlled Jaffna peninsula even as some foreign governments continue to choke the funding channels for the rebels on their soil, well informed sources said.

    Despite the heavy military presence in the peninsula, LTTE agents were believed to be carrying out the extortion from shop owners and civilians with family members residing overseas, warning at times of dire consequences if the demands for money was not met....

    In a 45-page report last year the New York based Human Rights Watch said LTTE subjects Sri Lankan Tamils living in Canada,

    the United Kingdom and other Western countries to intimidation, extortion and even violence to ensure a steady flow of funds for operations in Sri Lanka."

    http://www.dailymirror.lk/2007/12/03/front/01.asp

    Much of a Tamil liberation right?

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  44. Defencenet,

    RSS and Mail lists are good thing in many ways, as long as they do not get abused and inundated with posts.

    Mail-list management by self is highly resource demanding subject. Therefore, automated mechanisms such as the Google or Yahoo groups are suggested.

    The user should be given a simple mechanism to subscribe of unsubscribe, and you should ensure that their true emails or identities not to be released, as this is an anonymous forum.

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  45. Hi all,

    Defence.lk and others now have given a wide publicity to Devenanda sucide atempt. It seems you guys think it is good for us and bad for LTTE such a publicity. Howerver I have a question and I am not sure about the answer.

    Besides the terror, once one see that vedio, the question arise is, why such a woman did such a thing? What made such a woman to such a thing?

    Al-Qaida sucide bombings involve God/relegion and a person's sacrifice of his/her life is understood in the context of relegiuos faith. But here if some one searches he get to know this is not a relegiuos fight but an ethnic/race conflict.

    So one (outsider) might conclude there should be very bad discrimination going on in SL towards tamils by sinhalese. This is well supported by the final paragraph of all the international media reports (BBC,AFP..) regarding our conflict.

    On the other hand this is a moral booster for an already brainwased and determined terrorist. It seems blowing up is a simple thing. Further this convays so called loyalty towards piraba by his caders.

    Contrary to the populer belief suciding is not a big deal. How many young girls committ sucide in SL (eatig kaneru) due to small issues? Given the hopeless mentiality it is no big deel to make one commit sucide in SL after some brainwash. But specialy the foringers will not get this.

    So I beleive it is importent to attach an correct introduction to this vedio. Defence.lk introduction is too short for an outsider.

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  46. noltte=peace,
    "Mail-list management by self is highly resource demanding subject. Therefore, automated mechanisms such as the Google or Yahoo groups are suggested."

    Our email delivery system is fully automated. It's managed by FeedBurner (which is now owned by Google). Otherwise we would not have the time to manage mailing lists or newsletters.

    "The user should be given a simple mechanism to subscribe of unsubscribe, and you should ensure that their true emails or identities not to be released, as this is an anonymous forum."

    Anonymity is guaranteed. You just have to enter your mail address in the field and click on the subscribe button. It's as simple as that.

    Same goes for RSS feeds. They are also managed by feedburner.

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  47. DefenceNet,


    Great work again, And thanks for the vote about personal attacks..this site is about defence and not about individual differences.

    The 100 APCs for the MI Div. now that the exact no of APCs allocated to the Div (assuming you gave the right number) ;) which I hope you did not.
    Can’t the Tigers come up with a better battle plan for anti armor work by estimating the number of troops/squadrons of APCs. Just a thought. I’m sure you guys take no chances when reviling these facts.


    Btw, what happened to the assault troopers the SLAC already had? These troopers were trained to function as cavalry right?

    I saw some SPG-9s been used by the tigers (seems like the tigers are training highly mobile AT teams armed with SPG-9s, RPG-7s & RPG-22/LAWs), our Mec boys should have good ground maneuver and advancing tactics & and be well trained because even if the SPG is Old.. it still can knock out a APC/IFV both tracked & wheeled well up to 600~750m.

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  49. defencenet;
    Yes, aware of the general subscription which send details. But what I've in mind is very special events (Which need hand picking).
    May be the mail like what I suggest only may send out once a month or when a high profile event occurred.
    Unfortunately this would cost few minutes extra to your current work load. Please see how you could do this. May be a Google Mailing group which can be posted only by Defnet could help while all others can subscribe.
    Like the way you keep all under one umbrella (Google), which provides most needs.
    Keep up the excellent work.
    Please let us know the outcome.

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  50. defencenet,guys what is the model/make of those 100 chinese APC's?.Hope its not confidential info?..& if someone can please shed some light on all the make/models of IFV's & APC's that we currently operate,that would be much appreciated..(i know,by requestin for this info,so-called 'patriots'are gonna start their usual finger-pointing,name calling,the works!!)

    By the way,is the BTR-80 APC operated by us,amphibious?i recently saw on CNN, Turkey was operating a BTR-80,but with a heavier-looking cannon,probably 23mm/30mm,which is bigger than the BTR-80's 14.5mm..could it be the new BTR-90 model?

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  51. Renegade!

    The Turks operate a BTR with 30mm cannon, its called the BTR-80A (alpha) Our Armour use the same type.

    I dont think anyone out side Russia has got the BTR-90 Yet..but the Turks have mounted the BMP-3s turret on their IFV/APC and improved their firepower greatly...wish we could do the same ;)

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  52. "Sri Lanka is one of the few countries in the world that has sucessfully and brutally suppressed an insurgency in recent history.This is namely the JVP uprising...The JVP insurrection was quashed with pure brutality and counter terror.So we know what we can do against our own people let alone LTTE scum."

    Lion, the reason we were able to squash the JVP wasn't the brutal tactics (that just speeded it up), but the fact that the JVP had no external logistics support nor foreign safe haven. Given that, it was just a matter of time before they were defeated with tried & tested counterterror and anti-gurrilla tactics. The LTTE however have both external support and foreign safe haven.

    "The use of such counter terror tactics and extra judicial methods is the only way to stop the LTTE in civilian areas."

    This is quite incorrect. The anti-JVP style ops were actually developed against the LTTE in the '80s, which was why we were so good at it by '87. However, they didn't work in the NE, and were actually counterpproductive, sending hordes of refugees to India and the west, and creating a new generation of Tigers. The ones we're fighting now. It succeeded against the JVP because the civilan populace had nowhere to go, and we could slaughter them at leisure.

    "The Israeli method of sequestering civilian areas and limiting movement from one are to another must be used"

    This has been done in the past, and is still being used. However, as in Israel it creates bad PR, and in our case gives credence to the Tiger claim that the NE is a separate state from which Tamils need visas to travel.

    "The Israeli fortress mentality of anyone outside the security walls/fences is the enemy until proven otherwise is effective."

    Not if you have a large population of Tamils living in the south. In Israel proper there is no such Palestinian population, but only some Israeli Arabs whho have Israeli citizenship and documentation. For this to work, we would have to ethnically cleanse the south of Tamils, and that is not really doable.

    "Sure everyone knows a few Tamils here and there who seem to be decent.Sure everyone has a Tamil "friend" but the reality is would you trust them to look after your children or loved ones?If the enemy is spawned from one population/culture then who do you trust among them?The answer is simple, trust no one."

    Well, Lion, in that case, there's no chaance of peace is there, because if you consider every Tamil aan enemy, you will have to kill them all, or enslave them forever, and as Julius Caesar said "A people are not governed who must be eternally conquored". Your ideas about clubbing all the Tamils together and painting them with a broaad brush is just silly. That's exactly how you lose a war. How you win it is by convincing the enemy support base (in this case the Tamils) that they don't need that enemy force. Then you can destroy the real enemy. Your tactics might have worked during the Crusades, but they won't today.

    "Terrorism can never be defeated without brute force,"

    Yes, but it also can never be defeated with brute force alone.

    "When brute force knock on their very door, many terrorist leaders realise to give-up their campaigns."

    The thing is you have to find that door. Right now, we have no idea where VP is (oe even if he's in the country), and I can bet that when it gets too hot he'll move to TN (if he hasn't already).

    What SL needs to understand is that your straategy haas to be broadbased. You can't ONLY use force, or ONLY target the brass, or ONLY play hearts&minds, or ONLY offer a political solution. You have to do it ALL simultaneously. So far we've never been able to keep more than two balls in the air at the same time. Until we do that, we'll never win this war.

    "Ten twenty terrorist minds can not be allowed to take 19M peace loving people into hostage. "

    Sadly it isn'y just 10-20 minds. Those 10-20 wouldn't survive without a sea to swim in. You can't catch 10-20 fish in a sea of hundreds of thousands. You have to drain the sea, and to drain the sea you have to win the hearts&minds war as well as the safety&security war.

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  53. Ninja bandard..i think you missed the point about the bomb..It is to show that a tamil terrorist is killing other tamils who are interested in a political solution and have joined the govt.Hon Mr Devanandas name must be included.I suppose just showing the video is confusing unless the ethnicity of the intended victim is included in a brief explanation.. of course with the good ministers permission.

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  54. David,

    Sorry if this is out of the topic..but back in the day you were at arms, what happend to the FN FNC that came in to service with the Army? was there in a large ammount or were they few apart? And were the SLRs still in active use wen you joined up?

    hard luck we could not equip all units with the right number of SMG like MP-5's or Uzi's after the Sterling was sheved eh?

    thanks

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  55. It's all very well to say we don't need other countries, but thats bs. We can't win this war without also being able to cut off their foreign ops. If not we'll have another Palestine on our hands. And we can't do it without IC support. Israel didn't survive by going it alone. Israel has killed the Palestinian leaders for decades, but has that stopped them? No. We have to think a bit beyond tribal warfare here.

    Nemesis, both the FNC and the SLR were no longer in use with the Army when I was in. The T56 was the standard rifle, and we'd just been issued the new T81. The FNC was issued just before the major Army expansion post-'83, to replace the SLR (considered too long and too high-powered for our war) and by the '90s (when I joined up) they were no longer used. The main reason for the shelving of the FNC was that there was only one source for parts and all the ammo had to come frm NATO countries. This couldn't be guaranteed in the numbers we needed. It's the same reason the T81 has been virtually abandoned (except for support troops) -- it's a better rifle than the T56, but only China manufactures it, and while most parts are interchangable with the older weapon, not all are; for example the sear and box mag cannot be interchanged.

    The MoD decided that a carbine or assault rifle was the best compromise instead of having an SLR and an SMG -- basically the FNC (and later the T56) was thought to be able to cover both needs. Which is mostly true. Only specialist troops needed SMGs. If you look at Isreal, for instance, the Uzi's life as a primary battle weapon was short-lived, after which Israel switched to the M16A1, then on to the Galil family, and laater baack to the M16A2.

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  56. Nemesis,

    "hard luck we could not equip all units with the right number of SMG like MP-5's or Uzi's after the Sterling was sheved eh"

    Would the SLA have much need for 9mm SMG's for infantry use? Although I have noticed that the SF and Commando regiments use the Uzi and MP-5 for ceremonial use.

    David/Defencenet,

    Perhaps you might be able to clarify. I have noticed in the pictures that even elite troops like Commando and SF are equiped almost exactly the same as regular troops, i.e. T-56 (no combat sights), LMG's, RPG's etc. They don't seem to use any noticeably better equipment than regular troops.

    Aren't the Commando's/SF given a choice of better equipment for special infantry type operations?

    If they are given a choice, does that mean they prefer the usual weapons to something slightly better, like at least a 5.56mm weapon with some magnifying/holographic sights?

    The whole world seems to be moving towards 5.56mm rifles/carbines especially for special forces (FN SCAR, FN F2000, G36, HK416, SG 550, SAR 21 or even the good old M4 etc).

    Surely it cant be too expensive to get a handful of these weapons and accessories (combat sights, grenade launchers, NVG's) to equip special infantry troops/SF. I'm sure the better results that can be expected would more than justify the limited cost.

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  57. http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20071203_06

    Here is an update from defence.lk..

    Looks like LTTE counter attack and SLA lost 6 soldiers..

    My heart goes to those brave men who lost their lives defending this country..

    Are we doing enough to help the kith and kin of these brave men?

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  58. Now time is becoming to final stage. LTTE Terrorist is much weak and decide to attack civilians as much as possible.
    If 2 to 5 Group of terrorist start firing and bomb blasting with AK 47 or T-56 around the country at one time from Tea estates (There is a possibility that LTTE Terrorist stay in tea estate with Tamil people who working for Tea plantation)
    Please try to pass informations to rural area security organizers to keep attention about their movement as well.
    This is kind of very dangerous possibility can happen at last moment.
    Please take care abut this kind of possibility.

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  59. Guys, There is a danger that LTTE caders who are still roaming in Wilpaththu jungles might attack SLA lines from behind...

    I hope SLA will not overlook this issue...


    Cordinated attack from front and behind could undone the SLA.


    Hope someone is seriously looking in to this.

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  60. Shay, the SF/Commandos missions are in very similar battlefield conditions (range, terrain, weather, visibility) as the regular infantry, so there's no real need for specialist firearms. MP5s and Uzis are usually only used for specific counterterror ops like building and aircraft assaults or in the BG role. If you look at US or Brit SF units like Delta Force, the SAS or SBS, they all use standard battle rifles in Afghanistan and Iraq, not SMGs. SF/Commando troops do use add-ons like optical and night sights, as well as 30-mm grenade launchers on missions, but most of the pix we see are of them on stag where they don't need such stuff. I'm not convinced that the M16 family is better than the Kalashnikov family as a battle rifle. I have fired several models of both, and I prefer the latter. Also, ammo is an issue. If you look at SF units worldwide, they may use different weapons to their infantry cousins, but the ammo is almost always the same. Eg: though the SAS uses the Demaco (Canadian M16A2) instead of the SA80 family, the ammo is the same. So it may be a logistics thing. Finally, you might have seen that many STF troops are now carrying T56s due to lack of servicable M16A1s and M4s; so if we're unable to get enough of these rifles to eequip the STF, I doubt we can get enough to supply the much larger SF and Commando regiments.

    On the other hand, if you look closely at their uniforms and kit, you'll see a lot of differences to the infantry. Special webbing and other stuff. But in the end, SF troops shouldn't be recognizable to the enemy as elite, so they'll blend in whenever possible.

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  61. Tropicalstorm,

    Thanks for the feedback..I will see what I can in this regard..

    I always buy Sri Lankan stuff and spreading the word around where possible ...

    However I agree , we have to do more.

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  62. I don't think the LTTE cares how many APCs and IFVs we have. The RPG-7 can penetrate any APC and IFV on the market. The US Stryker also suffered from the RPG-7 in Iraq that why they now have SLAT armor.

    We too need to add on ERA blocks or SLAT armor to our APCs and IFVs that operate in the frontlines. It won't make them invincible but it will give them a better chance to survive an attack.

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  63. Army has successfully defended the newly captured areas south of Adampan on two occasions during yesterday and today. 6 KIA and nearly 20 wounded. LTTE has retreated back to their second line after two failed attempts.

    renegade,
    "defencenet,guys what is the model/make of those 100 chinese APC's?."

    This will be revealed in due time.

    "The 100 APCs for the MI Div. now that the exact no of APCs allocated to the Div (assuming you gave the right number) ;) which I hope you did not.
    Can’t the Tigers come up with a better battle plan for anti armor work by estimating the number of troops/squadrons of APCs. Just a thought. I’m sure you guys take no chances when reviling these facts."

    Well the info we revealed is public. In fact LTTE gets to know of most of our weapons purchases even before delivery. Any way this has little impact as they do not usually get info on armor deployments, prior to offensives.
    btw LTTE has always been ready for our armor. Their Victor regiment is comprised entirely of anti-amour units.
    See pics here:
    http://tinyurl.com/2h5u7o

    "The Turks operate a BTR with 30mm cannon, its called the BTR-80A (alpha) Our Armour use the same type. "

    Yes we have 30 BTR-80s and 19 BTR-80A.

    In addition to those we operate
    BMP 1, BMP-2, BMP-3
    T55/T55AM2 MBT (Some radar guided units)
    Type 69 MBT
    Type 85
    Type 63
    WZ551 APC
    BTR-152
    Unicorn Mark VI Buffel (South African made)
    Unibuffel (Locally made)
    VT-55 tank recovery vehicle
    MT55A bridge layer
    Saladin

    Some of those listed above are not in working condition. Some have been in service since the late 1970s.

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  64. http://www.dailynews.lk/2007/12/03/news20.asp

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  65. Have all our T-55 tanks been upgraded to the Pakistani Al-Zahar (basicly, better armour, main gun and equipment)? (I got this from Wikipedia)...
    Anyway, regarding sensitive info regarding equipment quantities. Since, we're buying most of the new stuf from the Chinese, and since it seems that the LTTE has connections with the Chinese arms manuf's, they probably get the info direct...:(

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  66. SLa casualties now stand at 6 KIA and 40 wounded.

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  67. David,
    According to the Type 81 article in Wikipedia (so not sure bout reliability of info) it say's the T-81 was dropped by SL coz of design issues in operational situations?
    But if T-81 was dropped coz its only manufactured by china, isn't that okay? Since we seem to buy our T-56's from China? But we do hav the ability to buy AK-47's (T-56) from a lot more sources.

    Do u guys think that the T-56 is adequate for the needs of the Army? Though the AK-47 is a proven weapon, don't Russia, China and others make newer, better versions? Shouldn't the army look into upgrading the infantry equipment? Coz most of the fighting is done by the infantry...

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  68. Mew Lobo, I don't know what design defects Wikipedia mean, but I've used the T81 in combat, and I perrsonaally feel it's a better weaappon with several advantages over the T56, like slightly better range, thumb-flick safety/selector, and the ability to fire rifle grenades.

    While China can supply our needs, they probably will supply spares in bulk, and we may not be able to buy parts in smaller quantities. But with the T56/AKM being so widely used we can get small quantities of spares from many different countries.

    Also, not all optical systems have rails that fit the receiver of the T81 (which is more angular than the T56), and we would then be restricted to Chinese optics. Whereas AK-compatible sights are constantly on the market.

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  69. Defence Net,
    Do we have plan for
    Large number of Armored Vehicles against our Military Base
    Or
    Large number of suicide and attack craft against our Naval Base (ex: Trinco)?

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  70. DefenceNet.. when you have the time...what is the real benefit of having APcarriers..unless they can withstand mines and direct assult by antitank weapons.IF Ltte units are composed of anti tank units what chance do the APC have of saving SLDF lives?

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  71. "Defence Net,
    Do we have plan for
    Large number of Armored Vehicles against our Military Base"

    I think this would be suicidal of the LTTE, they don't have too many to start with and they would be sitting ducks to SLAF jets or Mi-24. So don't think you need to worry about such a massed attack.

    Also it would be hard for them to sneak up on any major base with armour, all are behind defense lines. Its more likely they would infilitrate ground forces to gather up and attack behind defense lines.

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  72. DefenceNet, David, Shay

    thanks for the anwsers..

    I only had our boys well being in heart when i asked the Q about the APCs...

    Btw the Type-69 Chinese MBT we are supose to have, do they have better FC & Eloptics than the T-55AM2?

    There has been talk about possible tiger strikes in the hill country..as said the Gov. and local cammands/police should take note and be ready. We can let them (tigers) open a new front at this time.


    And i think we should let the SOFs have a good number of AR-15 cassi/HK 416 types chambered for the 6.5 remigton SPR! it gives the best of both (.223 & 7.62 M43) but as david said...will they (uncle sam & the Euro bloc) sell it to us in large numbers and will the provide spares and ammo for us in the long run?

    Perhaps we can get NORINCO or Poly to copy and sell us a few thousand good clones.. :)

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  73. According this report LTTE is desperate to get Air Missiles …GOSL must be vigilant.. ..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cstpE1-lhzk

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  74. Patriots,
    I read somewhere that http://www.nitharsanam.com/ website is run by the LTTE inteligence wing lead by Pottu Amman. I found out that this webiste is registered to following person. Patriot guys and gals spam and jam the f***ers emails and phone line.

    God Bless our brave SLDF solders!


    ---------------------------------
    Registrant:
    T.Ratnam Ramasamy
    99/6 Station Lane
    A-9 Road
    Jaffna, 021
    Sri Lanka

    Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
    Domain Name: NITHARSANAM.COM
    Created on: 23-Jun-04
    Expires on: 23-Jun-15
    Last Updated on: 05-Sep-06

    Administrative Contact:
    Ramasamy, T.Ratnam
    99/6 Station Lane
    A-9 Road
    Jaffna, 021
    Sri Lanka
    44788340709 Fax --

    Technical Contact:
    Ramasamy, T.Ratnam
    99/6 Station Lane
    A-9 Road
    Jaffna, 021
    Sri Lanka
    44788340709 Fax --

    Domain servers in listed order:
    NS1.THELIVESERVER.COM
    NS2.THELIVESERVER.COM

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  75. Patriots,
    We should create a video using the LTTE Suicide attack on Douglas Devananda attacking US presidential candidate Hilary Clinton. I am furious on her comment saying LTTE is a freedom fighter while Al Quida is a terrorist. Let's distribute this video to Republican front runners to attack Hilary Clinton. We need to see her brutally attacked by the GOP until she change her policy towards other Terrorist groups. Let's start out posting this attack video at Republican Presidential Candidate such as Guiliani and Mit Romney. Let's try to find a video that Hilary says LTTE is freedom fighter, but look what they do by buchering civilian including kids. Let the Republicans to have a field day using her comments such as she is soft on terrorists. Patriorts it is time for us to act and prevent future de-activation of LTTE as a terrorist group in the USA under soft on other terrorist democtratic president!

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  76. Patriot,
    I read here few weeks back that a PRO-LTTE simpatizer is working for Hilary Clinton in New York or Chicago. Let's try to find who that person(s). Let's urge her to fire that person or ignore him or her.

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  77. "I am furious on her comment saying LTTE is a freedom fighter while Al Quida is a terrorist."

    wtf? I'm sorry, but that's just plain bull shit. You show me where she said that and I'll eat my hat.

    If Hillary does get elected, there's no way in hell that she'll support the LTTE. This isn't Sri Lanka we're talking about. The military top brass isn't just going to stand by and let her support some foreign terrorist organization. They know how dangerous the LTTE could become, and they'll have her impeached if she tries to pull a stunt like that (but that is not going to happen)

    Anyway, she has to be elected in the first place. Fact is, although CNN and all the liberal media are doing their best to promote her, no one really trusts her. With the war in Iraq (seemingly) turning the corner, if the republicans get their act together, Hillary won't stand a chance. In fact, she's already trailing guys like Giuliani and Romney in the polls.

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  78. I.E.

    Thank you for explaining why Hillary won't be able to support the LTTE. I have been trying to calm people down who think that somehow that Hillary's administration might arm the LTTE or financially support.

    After you talk some sense into them, they calm down but then after about 2 days its back saying "OMG Hillary will support the LTTE, we gotta stop her" Deja Vu all over again.

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  79. I agree that approach to LTTE terrorist issue should be multi-prone. You have to suppress terrorists, while winning the hearts and minds of ordinary Tamil folks. These ordinary Tamil folks are our countrymen too, and they should be well respected and treated with equal opportunities of life. No question about that. Sri Lanka belongs to everyone who were born there as well as who have adopted the country as their motherland.

    SLDF should take utmost precautions to avoid any civilian casualties at all.

    Through intel, SLDF should constantly target terrorist leadership.

    Suggested to publicly offer 1M Dollars for the right information to get Prabhakaran out. As soon as it happens, Poddu will leave the outfit and will join the government efforts (Poddu will not leave the outfit until Prabha lives. He knows that he would be done if he left while Prabha is there. )

    Then it would be peace soon, and no one will suffer this brutal war.

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  80. The thing that wins wars is the human spirit, which drives the commitment to excel and out-perform. Sadly, this lesson appears to have been learnt only partially by the SLDF.

    We need to focus primarly on our human capital. We've proven over and again in our past and recent history that we are an indomitable people second to none. This is the reason why the Sinhalese never made good servants, collies or slaves ever in history.

    Sri Lanka now needs to invest more on higher skill generation and superior tactical performance in the battle field, while the long term strategy must be visionary enough to accomodate moderate aspirations of all within a no-limits and futuristic field of opportunity.

    The Vanni hyena has only blood letting, fear and oppression to offer. It is not that difficult to out-bid that.

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  81. DefenceNet:

    "David Blacker" has left me highly slanderous post in the previous thread and I have, with the greatest restraint, responded rather "mildly" (following up n my promise to you, LMSSAO!)...I invite you to read it as I have posted a challenge for him that takes you into account. As you see, this is how this racist Nut picks a spat with OaO Asithri and gets cut into ribbons in the process. LMSSAO!

    OaO Asithri

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  82. Interesting vote count, with overwhelming support for censorship!!.I voted against it.

    We live in a time of hightened enlightenment, characteristics which could potentially make each of us into superior humans than in any previous generation. Intellectual superiority comes with its own burden; one in particular being the ability to tolerate and guide the lesser intellect towards greater understanding.

    I feel this is what this vote indicates; We are reaching for greatness, yet unwilling to let go of our lesser bahavior and character. While striving towards superiority, we still are reluctant to let go of an innate need to control and manipulate those who are unable or unwilling to agree with our perspective.

    Censorship may have been a need of a time past. Today's need is to expect and set responsibility standards for media and public reporting. The individual must be afforded the right to screen what is appropriate or not.

    Absennce of censorship does not mean a vaccuum in which the laws of the jungle rule. That is where the need arises to grow a population that is capable of judiciously scrutinizing media reporting and hold them accountable, assigning measurable consequences within a legitimate framework.


    Perhaps the world of tommorrow will have that capacity.

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  83. DefenceNet:

    Appropos your reply to Perein;

    I think that is an unstable idea. This is not something you should venture into unless there exists the capacity to identify individuals. I do not intend to elaborate further, yet my apprehension is for obvious reasons, chiefly among them being the potential for bieng known to the wrong people.

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  84. DefenceNet,

    I also believe that under ideal conditions, there should not be any moderators, thinking that all the participants are civilised in any blog. However, it is not the case always.

    Think your role as a Shrine Keeper. If you would need to keep the Shrine clean, you have to do some house-keeping. Otherwise, few monkeys will come and spread their drops everywhere and destroy the shrine.

    The ideal world should not have police nor army. But, unfortunately the circumstances invite otherwise.

    I am not asking to moderate. But support publishing guidelines, and warning the violators, and completely banning the repeat offenders. Else, it would be difficult for the genuinely interested contributors to contribute when the Monkey drops are everywhere.

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  85. Dear Mr Blacker thanks for your counter points. But you are mistaken about a few.

    1)"Israel has killed the Palestinian leaders for decades, but has that stopped them? No. We have to think a bit beyond tribal warfare here"

    Targetting of leadership by israelis has been very effective, the assasinations of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin followed up quickly by his successor was an effective destabilising force--> what do you suggest we do ? let them wine and dine in five star hotels and fly them around in private planes and helicopters --> oops !we've already done that with the lTTE leadership and got shat on.

    Kill the leadership as they have tried sucessfully to kill our military/political leadership.
    It works -> no head to wag the tail.Remember the LTTE is a teroristic cult of personality, not a liberation organisation or freedom fighters.Kill the head.

    2)Fortress mentality works-> the Israeli security fence has reduced suicide bombing/terror attacks significantly where it has been erected (just do a Google search)

    3)"Tamils together and painting them with a broad brush is just silly. That's exactly how you lose a war" -> what do you suggest? , is racial profiling too un-PC for you?-> Ah yes good old "hearts and minds.." I am not advocating you torture/kill all Tamils far from it.How do you distinguish between the "good" Tamil or the "bad" Tamil? check out the youtube video of the female homicide bomber recently and tell me how? I am advocating that you have to treat every Tamil as suspect until proven otherwise.

    The Tamils who live in the south know they can live in peaceful coexistance with the Sinhalese there is nothing stopping them.

    4)David said .."How you win it is by convincing the enemy support base (in this case the Tamils) "
    Well David if the Tamils do not know what the LTTE are really like after 30 years then what makes you think they will listen to the Sinhala.

    Yes I agree we need a broad strategy with a multiprong approach.It has been happening recently thanks to MR ,Gota and SF we have got LTTE banned (yet we do not ourselves!) in many countries , we have waged a diplomatic war with some good results, yes we have destroyed what is known of the LTTE supply ships(how many others?)We are using the net/propaganda.
    We still need to believe in ourselves that we can accomplish peace but be ruthlessly efficient in war.Remember if not for us then who?

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  86. Noltte=peace,GE,IE anyone?

    BOI has got another investment for a "boat yard", I wonder what types of crafts they will make? Any idea?

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  87. lion..very good saying that "if not us who"..Yes sadly since we are a small country we need the rest of the world.It is good to have other countries as friends..fx presidents visit to IRAN has been very productive.However no country must let another country decide on what friends it should have.Having said all this some countries still allow these coolies to collect funds right now after paying "lip service".

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  88. David, nemesis,

    Thanks for your comments.

    But don't you guys think that the 7.62x39mm is now past its time. Russia and the former Soviet republics have switched to the AK-74 which uses a 5.45mm round as their primary rifle since the 1990's. China is now switching to a 5.8mm round for their new QBZ-97.

    Given that a 100 million AK-47/T-56 rifles were produced with a large number still in use, both countries might continue to manufacture components and ammo for some time, but this is bound to decrease in the medium term given that the only remaining users are a few small states like SL and terrorist groups (even many African countries have switched and few remaining major users in Asia) . Its not a good idea to depend on the former soviet/eastern bloc countries as many of them are now NATO members.

    So I think its time that the SLA started looking at a new generation rifle, to be phased in over 10-15 years.

    I don't think we need to be averse of 5.56mm weapons as China is producing them (QBZ-97, CQ copy of M-16/M4) and presumably the ammo as well (as well as Singapore and other non-NATO countries). Of course, it wouldn't be a good idea to get a weapon from a NATO country even if we can get the ammo from elsewhere, unless we can produce it under license (something we should look at, since many countries are producing small arms under license).

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  89. "As you see, this is how this racist Nut picks a spat with OaO Asithri and gets cut into ribbons in the process. LMSSAO!"

    Yes, guys, check it out. Asithri aka the Scorpion (lol) aka Superman (ha ha ha) nails me with his x-ray vision and then flies off to the North Pole to find Lois. Dude, you really should be regular with your medications.

    "Targetting of leadership by israelis has been very effective, the assasinations of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin followed up quickly by his successor was an effective destabilising force-->"

    True, but it hasn't stopped the Palestinians, who now are at the height of their militantism with a Hamas-led government. That's my point, assasssination alone won't stop the Tigers.

    "what do you suggest we do ? let them wine and dine in five star hotels and fly them around in private planes and helicopters -->"

    So, Lion, you can't see any middle-ground other than the two extremes of assassination and wining&dining. I'm afraid you're being very blinkered. Do you feel we have no other options other than those two?

    "Remember the LTTE is a teroristic cult of personality, not a liberation organisation or freedom fighters.Kill the head."

    That is incorrect. The personality cult is one THEORY. We don't really know if it is so. To reduce it to a cult is to be short-sighted. Tamil militancy wasn't created by VP. It came out of a public outcry. If the issues are not addressed your children or grandchildren will have a new VP to fight and that is irresponsible.

    After WW1, the western allies put crippling sanctions on Germany, and treated them as a conquored nation. This resulted in the rise of Hitler & the Nazis 20 years later. The western allies learned from this mistake, and after WW2 they did the opposite and poured money and resources into Germany & Japan, removing any need for another Hitler. Just as much as you talk of removing the head from the body, it is necessary to remove the body from the head, and to do the latter, you must address the issues that are close to the heart of the Tamils.

    "Fortress mentality works-> the Israeli security fence has reduced suicide bombing/terror attacks significantly where it has been erected"

    Lion, I have already explained to you why this will be ineffective in SL, where there are no two nations (Palestine is a separate state and Palestinians don't have Israeli citizenship) with the resultant separation. Are you suggesting building a fence along the NE border, thereby creating a de facto state of Eelam? That's exactly what the Tigers want.

    "what do you suggest? , is racial profiling too un-PC for you?"

    Not at all. But is intelligence too alien for you? Why don't you reread my posts, Lion. I said "broad brush". We must use selective measures, not claim that ALL Tamils must be treated as Tigers. It's just because we did treat them all as Tigers that we haven't been able to defeat a guerrilla/terrorist force one tenth the size of our Army for 25+ years. It's time to use our brains.

    "How do you distinguish between the "good" Tamil or the "bad" Tamil? "

    Ever heard of the application of military intelligence? That's how. "Know your enemy" is the sirst rule of war. If you can't distinguish who the enemy is, you've already lost.

    "check out the youtube video of the female homicide bomber recently and tell me how?"

    I don't need to watch Youtube, my friend, it happened 800m from my house.

    "I am advocating that you have to treat every Tamil as suspect until proven otherwise."

    We already do. That's the problem. We treat the innocent the same as the guilty, so the innocent think, "hey, fuck it, they hate me anyway, I might as well actually be a Tiger". You don't use boxing gloves on a fly, you use Baygon. Treating every Tamil as a suspect is a waste of valuable resources.

    "Well David if the Tamils do not know what the LTTE are really like after 30 years then what makes you think they will listen to the Sinhala."

    Oh they know jolly well, but they also feel they know what the Sinhalese are like. And after 30 years they still feel that they have no choice but stand behind the LTTE because there's no one else. And the GoSL is doing nothing to convince the Tamils that we're to be trusted. We try to name a town in Jaffna Mahindapuram, we try to evict hundreds of Tamils from Pettah, etc. The Tamils will not listen if all that the Sinhalese can do is talk. You have to show them we're sincere. Why don't you check out some sites like DBS Jeyaraj's site (http://www.transcurrents.com/) which has a fforum in which many Tamils participate. It's quite eye-opening to see what their concerns are.

    "But don't you guys think that the 7.62x39mm is now past its time."

    Shay, the main reason for this gradual progression towards lighter-calibre rounds is twofold. 1) since the bullets are lighter and less bulky, more can be carried by the individual soldier, thereby increasing firepower and 2) the need to defeat constantly improving body armour. While the latter isn't such an issuue in SL, the former is. However, our problem is procurement. Both Russia and China supply their own armed forces and that supply will never be threatened. We need to have a ready source, and the 7.62x39 round is probably the most widely available, and is more than sufficient for our needs.

    China and the former Soviet-bloc countries will continue to manufacture export-versions of the T56/AKM for the foreseeable future. There are even recalibred versions of the AK-74 which are chambered for the old 7.62x39 round from the 5.45-mm. There's no real danger of the medium-calibre short rifle round becoming obsolete in the coming years (unlike the 7.62x51 NATO round).

    "So I think its time that the SLA started looking at a new generation rifle, to be phased in over 10-15 years. "

    As long as we don't have a guaranteed supply source, it'll never happen. We've aalreaady experimented with the FNC and the M16 and abandoned both.

    "unless we can produce it under license (something we should look at, since many countries are producing small arms under license)."

    Yes, but to start producing firearms we must already be capable of precision machining, we aren't.

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  90. "When the Suicide Bomber Is a Woman" (14 page article. But worth reading)

    click here.

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  91. Well one fact that really helped the LTTE to survive for over 30 years were the number of sinhala traitors who sold out the country for $$$ you name it.It lead to the death of lots of good peoples both civilian and army.The other fact was we had cooked politicans whose main interest in life was to buy apple farms in australia or make sure their family members married english doctors. As i have said before i dont really care if the Rajapaksa family spend their time frequenting brothels in the world provided they decimate..i mean decimate .....the LTTE

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  92. defencenet,nemesis,thanks guys

    some clarifications/comments-

    The TYPE-69 MBT's we operate,these are just chinese copies of the venerable T-55 MBT, we operate,right-what are the additional features of this version(if any)?..

    goldeneagle,i don't think the RPG-7 is able to knock out the latest models of APC/IFV-for instance,it cannot destroy a BMP-3,except maybe at very close quarters.The BMP-3's are equipped with a very effective jamming system(called SHTORA),that can confuse anti-tank missiles(atleast the earlier versions)like sagger,spike,milan,hot,etc,.

    Nice to know we still keep the SALADIN's..how about the SARACEN's & FERRET scout cars-i guess,only for parades..!!

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  93. a bit off-topic here..don't you think palestinians are TRUE freedom fighters & the israeli's are the real TERRORISTS?(officially-sanctioned barbarians,at that)..i mean,true they help us weapons & stuff,but its just a business for them..unlike pakistan,& maybe china & iran,who really do like us-they offer weapons free at times,very unlike israel..

    but one thing i'm happy about is the reduction of the violence & the kicking out of all those jews(illegal settlers),out of palestine..

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  94. renegade..the biggest problem here is that jews living in other countries (especially the former USSR) want to migrate to israel.Earlier russian jews could not but i think bush made some kind of deal with putin.This is causing a problem of living space which is causing all these problems.Mind you that "we should fight on the beaches ...we shall never surrender to the naaazieees.." bastard should have given part of his constituency to the jews and not evicted the good palestinian people from their own land.this also has got a lot of religious issues as well..

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  95. Excerpt from the nation.lk editorial. A very good one :)

    While many in Colombo tasted terrorism in one of its ugliest manifestations last Wednesday at Nugegoda, it also provided a window of opportunity for the southern populace to take a glimpse into the fear psychosis that prevails in another part of our country among another section of our own people. The people of the North and East and especially the Wanni, have been living in fear of both the military strikes and the intimidation of the LTTE and other groups for many years. The technicality of whether the Sri Lankan government forces consciously target civilians or not, remain simply a technicality to those people who face the real threat of being killed in an aerial attack just as someone in Colombo fears being killed in a suicide bombing targeted at a high ranking official or military institution. It is hoped that during this time of turmoil the people of this country can at least unite in their shared concerns for their lives and that of their loved ones.

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  96. "As i have said before i dont really care if the Rajapaksa family spend their time frequenting brothels in the world provided they decimate..i mean decimate .....the LTTE"

    Yes, SL we know you don't care, but I'd rather my hard-earned rupees don't go to pay for pussy, thanks.

    "a bit off-topic here..don't you think palestinians are TRUE freedom fighters & the israeli's are the real TERRORISTS?(officially-sanctioned barbarians,at that)"

    Ah, Riffard, your slip is showing. Ha ha. Trust you to try and squeeze in that old story. Lemme give you a bit of education: many of you Muslims don't realise that in 1948 the UN partitioned the former Palestinian Protectorate into two countries, Jewish and Arab. But the Arab nations around (and the Palestinians) wouldn't stand for it, and Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon invaded the fledgling nation with their combined armies. And got their arses kicked. After which Israel said, "Ok, maties, if it's waar you want, we'll give it to you" and kicked out the Palestinians and took Jerusalem, the Golan Heights, eventually the Sinai Peninsula, and Beirut. Now, after many years, Israel haas handed back most of what the UN allocaated to the Palestinians. If the latter haadn't been so greedy and hateful of Israel, they would have been a prosperous nation by now, instead of the sorry state they now are. What a bitter lesson. So who do you think are the real barbarians?

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  97. Special commando team dispatched to 30 Km North of Yala following a confrontation between security forces and LTTE this evening -military spokesman- Ada Derana
    Defencenet - any news on this new development?

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  98. RomeoAlphaFoxtrot,
    http://defencenet.blogspot.com/2007/12/fighting-in-panama.html

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  99. DefenceNet.. when you have the time..Is it a big operation to try and kill these bastards holed up i n the yala sanctuary..i am thinking of the welfare of the animals here.

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  100. renegade

    "goldeneagle,i don't think the RPG-7 is able to knock out the latest models of APC/IFV-for instance,it cannot destroy a BMP-3,except maybe at very close quarters.The BMP-3's are equipped with a very effective jamming system(called SHTORA),that can confuse anti-tank missiles(atleast the earlier versions)like sagger,spike,milan,hot,etc,."
    -----------------------------------
    The jamming systems won't be able to do jack, when it comes to confusing a RPG-7 warhead or a RPG-29 warhead. They are not missiles, so they don't carry sophisticated electronics to guide them to the target. So the jamming won't confuse the rocket, when there is nothing inside the rocket to be confused.

    The RPG-7 can penetrate upto 11 inches(28cm) of steel. Any APC or IFV without SLAT or ERA armor will be in for some trouble. BTW the RPG almost always kills an APC or IFV at close range, thye don't have the range of an ATGM.

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  101. nemesis

    "BOI has got another investment for a "boat yard", I wonder what types of crafts they will make? Any idea?"
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    I have not heard of this, where did you leanr this from?

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  102. We should develop a team of people which will not have any links to the govt or any of the legitimate forces, and train them to be able to access any country and hunt down and exterminate Terrorist funding agents. The elimination process should seem accidental or of natural causes. The Israelis did it pretty openly when their athletes were murdered during the Olympics.
    Besides this we need to have a comprehensive database at our immigration points at BIA which will identify foreign and local funding agents who currently enter the country quite openly. Arrest them and make them vanish.
    We need to take the war to the funders of terrorism.

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  103. David
    You make many good points
    but
    "That is incorrect. The personality cult is one THEORY. We don't really know if it is so..."

    I respectfully disagree The LTTE is VP. it has all the hallmarks of a personality cult -> recruitment of vulnerable (child soldiers) , rigid enforcement of "rules" , no opposition or alternative opinions, propaganda indoctrination , "worship" of the leader , restriction of any other sources of information, symbolism , armageddon scenarios.

    Yes there would be some form of Tamil militancy or another but I doubt it would be anything so evil, efficient and ruthless as the LTTE.

    It certainly isn't the boy scouts.
    Here some jokes for you David.
    Q)what do you call LTTE recruitment camps?
    a)Kindergarden
    Q)What are LTTE least likely to die off?
    a) old age
    Q) what is written on the graves of LTTE black tigers?
    a) RIPs "rest in pieces"
    Q)What do you buy a LTTE girl when she hits puberty
    A) her first suicide bra.
    Q)How many LTTE can you fit in a white van?
    A)Not as many as we would like.

    Cheers

    Lion

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  104. Whoa, what have we here? Bear with me patriots, let me clear the fog. Here is Ranil Pansy’s political platform (reproduced here by none other than our RW=LTTE pansy grandpa, Blacker!):

    So, let’s take this one Poop Drop at a time…

    RW=LTTE Poop Drop #1
    “Tamil militancy wasn't created by VP. It came out of a public outcry.”

    Wow! Where have I heard this before? Silly me, I forget…did LTTE propaganda outdo RW Propaganda when this was put out? LMSSAO! A most privileged minority, enjoying unparalleled rights and economic prosperity found in any country on this planet where you find minorities (you just have to look at Wella and nowhere else to know that) and while being barely 12% of the population (now sadly, 4% :-() saw it fit to have a “public outcry” and when the “public outcry” failed, resorted to TERRORISM as the next best option! Whoa, wasn’t that bright! Poly cracko: Your LTTE bias is showing crystal clear and you better zip it and put your limpy-thingy back in you baggy pants! LOL!

    RW=LTTE Poop Drop #2
    “If the issues are not addressed your children or grandchildren will have a new VP to fight…”

    Threats..threats…I wish they’d stop as we patriots are truly pissing in our pants now! LOL! So, aha, once again there are Tamil “issues”…eh? Yep, we Sinhelas too have “issues” and we intend to deal with them soon so that no future VP or other MF will ever pick up a gun to kill Sinhelas again in OUR motherland! When you bring in the professionals to clear a rat infestation, they do a good job and all it takes is a some periodic maintenance to contain it going forward! LOL!

    RW=LTTE Poop Drop #3
    “It's just because we did treat them all as Tigers that we haven't been able to defeat a guerrilla/terrorist force one tenth the size of our Army for 25+ years.”

    Wow, what a profound statement from our resident military genius (LOL)! So, how can you tell a genius like this that this war has continued for this long only because of pansy politicians like RW who did not have the bloody balls to crush LTTE’s nuts at the right time - and nothing else? LMSSAO!

    RW=LTTE Poop Drop #4
    “And after 30 years they still feel that they have no choice but stand behind the LTTE because there's no one else.”

    Wow, I see another sales rep for the “sole representative” dried-poop! Wonder what kind of commission these buggers earn these days for peddling this product?

    Well, patriots, there you have it! I just elaborated on parts of RW=LTTE=TNA propaganda platform as tried to force-feed to you by none other than your trusted blog military genius, grandpa Blacker!

    I am truly LMSSAO!

    OaO Asithri

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  105. Sri Lankan:

    "As i have said before i dont really care if the Rajapaksa family spend their time frequenting brothels in the world provided they decimate..i mean decimate .....the LTTE"

    Well said mate! Yep, the key operative word is “DECIMATE” and as long as that is done, who the fuck cares what carnal pleasure our politico-military honchos give into?

    As for complaints from pansy-pussies like:

    “Yes, SL we know you don't care, but I'd rather my hard-earned rupees don't go to pay for pussy, thanks.”

    This is a fraction of a “minority” fraction's view, so I don't think we should bother. The majority of the tax payers of the country are solidly behind our present politico-military establishment (as confirmed by a recent survey) and that’s what counts!

    OaO Asithri

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  106. Well, this sounds like ltte idiot s version of Tet Offensive !
    Pound them SLAF !Pound them Boys !

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  107. Killing Velu will open the doors for his son's accession to power. This guy doesn't have a criminal record, and can talk to India and anyone else. He will hand over/kill Pottu in a heartbeat.

    The game could be very different in that scenario.

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  108. "I respectfully disagree The LTTE is VP. it has all the hallmarks of a personality cult"

    That is how it seems to us at first glance, Lion. I'm not saying it isn't so, but there really isn't enough evidence for us to make that judgement. For example, for the last year, VP has hardly even appeared in public (giving vent to rumours that he's dead), yet the LTTE has functioned through the second tier of VIPs like Tamilchelvam, Soosai, etc. So while killing VP will no doubt deal the Tigers a hammer blow, it doesn't mean it'll be the knockout.

    "Yes there would be some form of Tamil militancy or another but I doubt it would be anything so evil, efficient and ruthless as the LTTE."

    Well the LTTE was none of the above when it started out, and we should never give Tamil militancy another chance to raise its head. And the best way to do that is to remove the cause as well as those fighting for that cause. In this day and age, no people can be conquored and ruled for very long. The world will no longer allow it. So we should ensure that those people have no reason to revolt, be they southern Sinhalese or NE Tamils.

    "Whoa, what have we here? Bear with me patriots, let me clear the fog."

    Maybe if you stop farting, Asithri, it'll be clearer to you. Lol. But what happened, Superman/Scorpion/Arsithri, thought you had a flight to catch? Ran out of hot air? Ha ha.

    "A most privileged minority, enjoying unparalleled rights and economic prosperity found in any country on this planet where you find minorities"

    Oh really? I'm sure many guys like you, who were born in the late '80s, don't really have much of a clue about what happened before your unfortunate birth. Please provide us with the stats to back up these "unparalleled rights and economic prosperity" the Tamils enjoyed that no one else on the planet had. Lol.

    "our LTTE bias is showing crystal clear and you better zip it and put your limpy-thingy back in you baggy pants!"

    You DO seem obsessed with male genitalia, Superman. Why is that? Is it because yours is just two inches? Lol. Or do you go to bed fantasising about penises (limp or stiff)? Ha ha.

    "Threats..threats…I wish they’d stop as we patriots are truly pissing in our pants now!"

    Yes, I'm sure people like Superman/Arsithri must constantly feel threatened by everything they don't understand. Most insecure teenagers are. Do you feel threatened by your boss, or the postman, or the neigbourhood cat, Superman? You really should nip that paranoia in the bud before it takes over your life.

    "we intend to deal with them soon so that no future VP or other MF will ever pick up a gun to kill Sinhelas again in OUR motherland!"

    WE, Superman? What "we"? You're supposedly hiding in NY, pushing a broom around the gents. So who's the "we"? The only thing you're "dealing" with is the white man's splashed urine and excrement. Hop you're doing a good job at that since you're doing a lousy job as an SL patriot. But then isn't that what that NGO is paying you to do, Superdooperman? Lol.

    "Well, patriots, there you have it! I just elaborated on parts of RW=LTTE=TNA propaganda platform as tried to force-feed to you by none other than your trusted blog military genius, grandpa Blacker!"

    Wow, Arseithri, your articulate genius has floored us! I'm sure everyone on this blog will now flock to NY to join your army of toilet patriots against the nasty mean scary ex-soldier who's frightening you. There therre, wipe your nose on your cape, Superman, and pull your thong out of your butt crack, yo voice is getting squeaky. Ha ha.

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  109. Blacker…Blacker…very disappointing…I expected a better defense from you frankly…truly disappointing dearie!

    “Please provide us with the stats to back up these "unparalleled rights and economic prosperity" the Tamils enjoyed that no one else on the planet had..”

    Gladly, here is a sample of it (of course, now deny every single assertion like a true “eelam Tamils” would do! LOL):

    [At the time the Ethnic war raised its ugly head, in 1983, Chief Justice Shervananda, Attorney General Pasupati, Inspector General of Police Rudra Rajasingham who later became Ambassador in Indonesia (and whose father was Senior Surgeon in Colombo Hospital); Minister of Rural Development C. Rajadurai; Minister of Home Affairs K.W.Devanayagam and the Ambassador in UK, were all Tamils. The Mayor of Colombo a few years ago was a Tamil. Even in the 1960s, four of the five Eye Surgeons at Colombo Eye Hospital, several Physicians, Surgeons and Obstetricians and the Professor of Surgery in Colombo, were Tamils.

    The Tamils live and own land in all nine provinces of Sri Lanka. In Wellawatte, the southernmost postal area of Colombo, about 90% of the population are Tamil.

    Tamils have Tamil schools, Tamil Churches, Hindu Temples and large numbers of Tamil shops in Colombo and other southern cities. The Tamils have two Universities in the North and East, almost entirely for the 12.6% Sri Lankan Tamils. In the other Universities in the south, where Sinhalese students have to compete for places with Tamils, Muslims and Burghers, there are a fair number of Tamil Students. But no Sinhalese have ever complained of this!

    In 1981 just before the Ethnic war escalated, the 12.6 % Tamils accounted for 25% of those entering University for Medical studies, 24% for Dentistry, 40% for Veterinary Science. (The 6.6% Indian Tamils did not go for higher studies those days)
    In 1980s the 12.6 % Tamils accounted for 34.9% engineers; 35% doctors; 38.8% Veterinary Surgeons and 33% Accounctants in Public service. ]

    Aha, just behaving like a deranged drunkard, in sheer fury, calling names and giving into derogatory outbursts, but cannot defend a single RW=LTTE Poop-Drop point yours truly OaO Asithri aimed with surgical precision! LMSSAO!

    Nothing more to add Poly…other than to provide a post script, to check-mate (LOL):

    Patriots, please read my earlier post carefully and you will see this pansy’s love-affair with the “eelam Tamils” (they also call themselves “We Tamils”) so, be careful of this RW=LTTE undercover rat masquerading here as an ex SLA WIA…We all know the treachery LTTE has mastered at, as such this “eelam Tamils” sympathetic grandpa Blacker should be handled with caution, more like with a pinch of salt (the pinch that you grind on your stone-roller when making lunu-miris!

    Anyway, time for some humour for patriots…someone asked just the other day:

    Did the LTTE woman pull her bra strap before she did the blow job?

    Wow! Wow Indeed!

    LMSSAO!

    OaO Asithri

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  110. I started reading DefenceNet because it discussed only military matters. But now pepole like Asithri and David is trying to make this a political platform with personal attacks. Appreciate if you could stick to military matters. BTW David, Are you the guy who wrote the "Cause Untrue" book ?

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  111. goldeneagle,my bad!..lemme research more into armour systems,next time..he.he..u know any sites with technical info,like specs on armour/artillery?..much appreciated,if i could get those..

    DB,hmm..well,seems like you do have some soft feelings for israelis,ok..no probs..do u realise how influential the jewish lobby is,in the states?they run the whole friggin US of A, & decide on policy,as well-like invading IRAQ,to find 'weapons of mass destruction!',previous misadventures,like in somalia,where the 'mighty' USA,was given a nice kick in the butt,with many of their so-called 'elite' troops,killed & their 'Blackhawks shot down'!-so much for interfering in other peoples affairs..
    if they try any such misadventure with IRAN,this time,i'm afraid to say they are gonna get their asses pounded-literally.he.he.picture the scenario,where a US carrier battlegroup,gets knocked out of action,by hi-speed,heavy-weight,sonar evading-torpedoes!! & missiles,as well..already iranian forces are holding the islands of Abu-Musa(which is disputed with the UAE),with several SAM batteries,AAA positions,hardened bunkers,& of course Fast Attack Craft,with missiles which are more ideally suited to the shallower waters,in the Persian gulf region..In conclusion,IRAN ROCKS,USA SUX,& back-lickers like Saudi Arabia,Qatar,UAE,very much like to suck the USA even more..my,my..

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  112. "Gladly, here is a sample of it (of course, now deny every single assertion like a true “eelam Tamils” would do! LOL):"

    Er.... how does pointing out a dozen Tamil officials prove that the Tamil population was "enjoying unparalleled rights and economic prosperity found in any country on this planet where you find minorities"? Lol, surely you can do better than that, Superman.

    And you need to give references for those statistics, Superman. And no, quoting SPUR won't do ;)

    Land ownership stats in Colombo, and posts held in the civil service accounted for a tiny fraction of Tamils, the majority of the former lived in the NE, not in Wellawatte. University entrance stats don't prove the Tamils were more prosperous, just that they were more studious.

    The issues you scoff at and which were at the core of the of Tamil aspirations was self-governance (not self rule, I hope you know the difference) -- the SL Tamils had voted for it at the time of independence -- language -- "Sinhala Only" ensured Tamils couldn't carry out any official business (not even in the Tamil-majority NE), and while this was constitutionally corrected in '77, was not implemented, and even today hasn't been -- constitution -- which prevents anyone but a Buddhist from being head of state. Then of course, there was the small issue of the regular riots from independence on in which hundreds of Tamils were killed and their property destroyed. All of this is factual, and claiming that a dozen officials were Tamil or that Tamil students were smaarter than Sinhalese ones doesn't prove anything.

    "so, be careful of this RW=LTTE undercover rat masquerading here as an ex SLA WIA…"

    We all know you're ashamed of the cowardliness (or inability) that prevents you from actually joining the Army and fighting for what you claim to believe in, Superman, but that's no reason to tryy and throw doubt on those of us who've actually fought and killed those whom you hate so much instead of just masturbating over a keyboard like you do. :)

    Anyway, I'm glad to see you at least attempting to reason instead of just abusing, but you'll have to do a lot better than that. Lol. I look forward to your further pathetic efforts.

    "Appreciate if you could stick to military matters. BTW David, Are you the guy who wrote the "Cause Untrue" book ?"

    Cal, I always try to stick to the military aspect of it, but discussion of the ethnic issue and the interraction between the Tamil & Sinhalese populations is unavoidable when discussing the conflict. However, as I've said before, I will always defend myself from personal aspects and address posters who have nothing beyond uncouth racial comments and a political agendum to push on this site (since the moderator/s are obviously happy to allow such attacks).

    And yes, I am the author of "A Cause Untrue", and yes, I have been attacked as a war criminal, GoSL stooge, right-wing killer, etc on other sites by people who are from the other end of the spectrum as Arsithri aka Superman aka Mixer. For all I know they are the same people who created Arsithri in their effort to ridicule the Sinhalese and this site.

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  113. Hey David, I have read your book and its touches the ground situation too. Yes your comments about some of issues are true.

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  114. "DB,hmm..well,seems like you do have some soft feelings for israelis"

    Certainly, Rifard/Renegade. Anyone who believes in democracy, justice and the rights of humanity can only have a soft spot for the ME's only democracy. Surely you're not suggesting that countries like Saudi Arabia (where they whip rape victims for having been raped) are upstanding examples of countries we should cheer for do you? The ME is ruled by cruel despots, whose people lived in absolute poverty until oil was discovered, wwho enslave and torture their immigrant workers. The only reason the world tolerates it is cos we need their oil.

    "do u realise how influential the jewish lobby is,in the states?they run the whole friggin US of A, & decide on policy"

    If only this anti-Semitic fairytale was true, but sadly it isn't. The US is run by WASPs (white Anglo-Saxon Protestant). The Jewish conspiracy theory has been their since the 1930s and I guess will always be there. Fair enough, that a lot of US money is in Jewish hands, and they run entertainment empires, but any policy influencing is merely resultant.

    "previous misadventures,like in somalia,where the 'mighty' USA,was given a nice kick in the butt,with many of their so-called 'elite' troops,killed & their 'Blackhawks shot down'!"

    Actually the US was NOT kicked in the butt. They lost a dozen or so Rangers and two Delta snipers, but the mission to capture Aidid's second tier was successful, and thousands of Somalis killed. Suggest you read Mark Bowden's "Black Hawk Down" which is fairly accurate. Ridley Scott's movie wasn't always faithful to events and leaned towards the media version, which sensationalised the US casualties and frightened Clinton into withdrawing. And btw, that withdrawal then left millions of Somalis to starve over the next decade, becuase the UN peace-keeping troops were unable to control the warlords. So I hope you're happy about that withdrawal Riffard -- most Somalis are Muslim. Wonder what the Saudis were doing in the meantime.

    "if they try any such misadventure with IRAN,this time,i'm afraid to say they are gonna get their asses pounded-literally.he.he.picture the scenario,where a US carrier battlegroup,gets knocked out of action,by hi-speed,heavy-weight,sonar evading-torpedoes!!"

    I'm afraid you should stay away from the Tom Clancy version ha ha! If the US hits Iran, it will be quite different to the Iraqi war. It will be a series of hard-hitting airstrikes on nuclear and military facilities, couple with SF hit&run missions. They don't need to invade.

    "with several SAM batteries,AAA positions,hardened bunkers,& of course Fast Attack Craft,with missiles which are more ideally suited to the shallower waters,in the Persian gulf region.."

    Before Desert Storm in '91 and Iraqi Freedom in 2003, there were many such predictions about how the battle-tested Iraqi Republican Guard (which btw kicked Iran's arse) would kick US arse too. Well, we know what happened. The only way to bog down the US is i guerrilla combat, and thaat's the very reason why they won't let themselves be dragged down. Gun & Run, as the Israelis say.

    And btw, guess who it was who provided Iranian commandos with clandestine training in the '70s and '80s to fight Iraq and the Kurds -- yup, that's right -- Sayaret Matkal and Mossad Aliyabet :)

    "IRAN ROCKS,USA SUX,& back-lickers like Saudi Arabia,Qatar,UAE,very much like to suck the USA even more..my,my.."

    You guys need to learn that being a Muslim doesn't make you a saint, so instead of blindly supporting any Muslim despot who has a grudge with a non-Muslim, you need to look at the issues in the ME.

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  115. I think this Tamil militancy will never go away..because of the large number of both indian and Slankan tamils living overseas.Of course it is very easy for anyone to find a grievance.But this does not mean that we cannot prevent militancy within SLanka with a solution acceptable to people who want to listen.i can say that we sinhalese cannot live in the north.But does this mean that i have any kind of right to go into a Tamil village and butcher women and children?.Does it also mean that if i cant find a grievance i imagine or "create" one for financial benefit..?..good question to ask Mr Sangaree.. even if i could i would not due to religious reasons.Now i can understand an IRA style operation..where you have a large number of highly qualified people supporting you even if you plant bombs..You never find the IRA going to M&Spencer in London and slicing people now do you..never ever in their long militant history have they done this...No this guy VP was playing "cops and robbers" against a very weak army killing at will because he knew that the sldf was "stupid" and worst of all "enjoying" it.I sincerely hope he will "have fun" in the near future.

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  116. Asithri..thanks for your input...Focus your mind on your professional development!!.

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  117. "Now i can understand an IRA style operation..where you have a large number of highly qualified people supporting you even if you plant bombs.."

    Hmm, Gerry Adams was a bar tender before he joined the PIRA and later moved to Sinn Fein. Qualified, you say?

    "You never find the IRA going to M&Spencer in London and slicing people now do you..never ever in their long militant history have they done this..."

    No of course not. They just fire bombed it, or beat people to death, or used power drills to remove their kneecaps. All VERY civilised.

    SL, you never cease to amaze me.

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  118. David do you know of them going to villages and slicing entire villages to death?.Also this using power drills to remove peoples knee caps..were they in london or Ireland.By no means am i saying its good.I dont consider taking even one human lives a "joke".Lets see shall we list Vps crimes against the IRA... what do the other bloggers think

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  119. Sorry David i missed my chain of thought..What i meant to include was that- what do you think would have happened..lets say one night if 10 IRA soldiers went into any street in london and butchered the whole street..of course by slicing...what do you think the british govt would have done..?.Lets say that another country said to them ..never mind ..go for "peacs talks"..what do you think they would have done?

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  120. SL, I'm not sure what exactly your point is. If you're trying to prove that VP is a bad bugger, we already know that. Or are you trying to say that the PIRA is some sort of boy scout club? You're comparing apples with oranges. The Irish revolution used tactics in keeping with the enemy they were fighting (the crown) and the peoples amongst whom they were fighting (the Northern Irish, sourthern Irish, and English). Their style was comparable to the JVP (which didn't go out and slice up villages), instead they placed bombs on public transport, assassinated low-level public servants (teachers, postmen, bus drivers, grama sevakas).

    I repeat, what exactly is your point?

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  121. And to answer your question, the British government was constantly pressed by both the Irish Republic and the USA to"go for peace talks" and they did. In spite of the killings, assassinations, bombings, and other acts of terror. The PIRA never ever laid down their arms (they still haven't), but the Brits realised that the war was a slow drain on their resources. So they compromised, they did the statesmanlike thing and didn't let pride get in the way. They gave the province self-governance in spite of the fact that the PIRA was a terrorist outfit. That's how an uneducated yob like Martin McGuiness became Northern Ireland's Minister of Education. But there is peace, and their peoples are happy.

    Was that your point, SL?

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  122. GE,

    mate it was on the papers, cant remember the day, I think it is a small boat yard. Investment was no more than a few million $.

    Anyway, its a boat yard..no matter how big or small they are..they can help the country.

    I think SL should get more ships registered in SL and run them under our flag.

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  123. david

    "In this day and age, no people can be conquored and ruled for very long. The world will no longer allow it."

    I am sure the Chechens and Karen would agree ;)

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  124. Renegade

    Try www.globalsecurity.org

    Nemesis

    Thats good news.

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  125. David thanks for your input..just conversation David..i was just thinking what you think the british would have done if the IRA massacred civilians by slicing them..an entire village for example.. your opinion.. you explanation about the peace process is fine..but what you did not say was that british intelligence "converted-turned them" some IRA operatives and nearly destroyed the IRA..practically forced them to the negotiating table..they were not really bothered with these "human rights" issues it appears..

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  126. Guys,

    A new turret for the Type-92 APC (which the SLA) has been introd by NORINCO!

    it has a 30mm cannon and a PKT in coax!...thats better than that open shell thin armoured one the WZ551 currently mounts, which has a 12.7mm HMG, The 12.7mm is good enough for an APC, but a 30mm would give more firepower and range! but at incresed weight ;(

    I think the 30mm is the same as on the BTR-80A not sure..

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  127. "I am sure the Chechens and Karen would agree ;)"

    There'll always be a few anomalies, GE, but the Chechens are still fighting. A better example would be the Tibetans. However, I feel the situ here in SL haas gone too far to slip off the radar the way the Karens & Tibetans have.

    "i was just thinking what you think the british would have done if the IRA massacred civilians by slicing them..an entire village for example.. your opinion."

    SL, you might as well ask me what the Brits would do if Martians took over the parliament. The PIRA didn't massacre villages because it wasn't a war for territory. I'm sure they would have if they needed to. And I'm not sure why you persist with this ghoulish fascination for "slicing". Do you think it's less brutal to bomb, shoot, or beat someone to death?

    "but what you did not say was that british intelligence "converted-turned them" some IRA operatives and nearly destroyed the IRA."

    That's mostly in Jack Higgins novels. While there were some PIRA members who were turned, none were high-level, and the Brits certainly never came close to destroying the PIRA or forcing them to any table. Often, it was the PIRA who had to force the Brits (via London bombing campaigns) to include them at the table. Peace came about in N Ireland because both sides realised they were getting nowhere unless they compromised. The Brits then went a step forward, cracked down on the Protestant right-wing, and paved the path for Sinn Fein to enter local government.

    "they were not really bothered with these "human rights" issues it appears.."

    Where on earth did you hear that? The conflict in Northern Ireland was always ruled by the civil laws of the land, and not by rules of engagement. Every terrorist arrested had to be tried in civilian court as a criminal (not terrorist), and the charges proven before incarceration. The Crown went so far as to prosecute Brit soldiers who fired on cars that ran checkpoints if it was later proven that the passengers were unarmed. Some soldiers were convicted and served prison terms. Even the SAS was not allowed to fire on KNOWN terrorists unless they were armed and posing a threat. When the SAS shot and killed the three PIRA members in Gibralta, they were tried (though acquitted) because none of the terrorists had weapons or detonators on their persons. N Ireland proved that an anti-terror war can be fought relatively to the rules and still conclude satisafactorily.

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  128. Thanks for your comments David..

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  129. David Blacker,i really enjoy bloggin with u,dude-keep it going,senore!

    Thankx,goldeneagle for the site!

    nemesis,are u sure we are gettin the upgraded turret for our WZ551 APC'S,coz i know they are currently fitted with 25mm Giat cannons..are you sure we have got just the 12.7mm guns on our WZ551's?.this turret is the same as that fitted onto a BMP-2 as well as the BTR-80A,rite?..and can u confirm that the BTR-80 operated by us,mounts the 14.5mm Heavy machine gun,& the BTR-80A,the 30mm cannon..

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  130. David

    The Chechens are still fighting? I wouldn't exactly call that fighting. Face it, the Chechens are finished and they know it. They may fire a few bullets here and there but to salvage their pride, but they are fooling no one.

    Its like in a boxing match. The Chechens are so battered, bruised and tired that they can't even keep their hands up anymore to defend themselves.

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  131. GE, I think you're being premature in writing off the Chechens. It's too early to tell.

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  132. GEagle..actually the chechens are not doing so well as you rightly said.this is because one of their "key terrorist agents"..i think was captured alive by the russians.This is pretty old news and cant remember the exact details.Remember the chechens holding a school to ransom?..that time i think..

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  133. David

    C'mon man, I expected better of you. At best all the Chechens can do is become is an annoying mosquito that never goes away.

    Even with covert Saudi Wahabbi backing the Chechens simply can't take on the Russian warmachine.

    Unlike the West the Russians have a different method when dealing with terrorists. Its called "bombs away". Look at most of the buildings in Chechnya, I am pretty sure you must have seen the carnage.

    Russia can't get away with this kind of brutality, because they are still a big country and an important international player.

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  134. correction

    ****Russia CAN get away with this kind of brutality, because they are still a big country and an important international player.****

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  135. Renegade!

    mate i said that a new upgread is avilable....i didnt say we are going to get it. and no its not the BMP-2 turret, its a chinese/brit type.

    I have only seen 12.7mm HMGs on our wz551 so far. Wich is ok for a wheeled APC, but my worry is the thin armour.

    and Defencenet conf. that we do use BTR-80s and 80As.

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  136. GE, I'm sorry if your expectations are not met, but I can't simply agree with you when you're mistaken.

    Chechnya maybe simmering right now, because Islamic extremism is focused elsewhere, but where do you think many of those Chechen jihadis are? -- yup, Afghanistan & Iraq, and they'll eventually return to their homeland and things will start to boil again. The difference will be how the conflict develops -- the Chechen fighters will learn from the culmination of the fighting in Afghanstan & Iraq, and will adapt their tactics accordingly. AQ was never really involved in Chechnya, but you can bet they will once they're done elsewhere. GE, I'm surprised that you can't see beyond the short-term.

    However, my point isn't an analysis of how successful (or not) the Chechens will be. The point is that a simmering discontent will always drain the host nation, and while Chechnya maybe too small to affect Russia, the Tamils will always affect SL.

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  137. David

    "Chechnya maybe simmering right now, because Islamic extremism is focused elsewhere, but where do you think many of those Chechen jihadis are? -- yup, Afghanistan & Iraq, and they'll eventually return to their homeland and things will start to boil again. The difference will be how the conflict develops -- the Chechen fighters will learn from the culmination of the fighting in Afghanstan & Iraq, and will adapt their tactics accordingly. AQ was never really involved in Chechnya, but you can bet they will once they're done elsewhere. GE, I'm surprised that you can't see beyond the short-term."

    Al Quaeda and other jihadis may not be in Chechnya now, but even if they do come to help the Chechens it won't make that much of a difference in the battlefield. The Russian army(especially under Putin) is more ruthless in its approach to crushing an insurgency than the Western armies. They excercise the old school ruthless approach. As a result a lot of Chechen civilians get killed, but the Russians won't lose sleep over it like the West. BTW, it was the Saudi funded Wahabbis that sent arab fighters to help the Chechens not AQ.

    Why would they even leave Chechnya if they could atleast put up a fight against the Russian army? Because it was too tough for them. Many Chechen fighters left Chechnya to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq because their new enemy(Western armies) actually follows the rules of engagement. Its much easier for an insurgent force to survive in such an environment.

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  138. "Al Quaeda and other jihadis may not be in Chechnya now, but even if they do come to help the Chechens it won't make that much of a difference in the battlefield. The Russian army(especially under Putin) is more ruthless in its approach to crushing an insurgency than the Western armies."

    Think so? Read up on the USSR's Afghan experience. A world super power had its arse handed to it by rag-headed mountain men.

    Also, if you think that sheer brutality will win you a war, you need to reaad up on the US experience in Vietnam. It doesn't work. It's like trying to stamp mercury into the ground. It flows away and comes back.

    I already told you AQ wasn't in Chechnya, and that's the reason Russia did as well as they did. Once suicide bombers start hitting Moscow and flying planes into nuclear power stations, you'll see Putin whistling a different tune.

    The US is far more adept at fighting guerrillas than the Russians, believe me.

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  139. David

    The Russians did fight the US backed Afghans with brutality, but they did not paint all Afghans with the same broad brush stroke going into the conflict. They had to take the feelings of their Afghan allies(Nagibulla) into condsideration as well before going on a rampage against the enemy. They did not want to bomb a tribe that was loyal to their Afghan allies.

    No such considerations exist when it comes to Chechens and the Chechens don't have a superpower backing them either. The Russians don't give a damn whether they kill half the Chechen population gets killed or not. Many polls show over that 75% of the Russian population would like it of the Chechens move out of Russia to somewhere else. That tells you how most in Russia lack a concience when it comes to Chechens.

    BTW the US did not go on an all out rampage in Vietnam as you suggest. Sure there were some massacres commited, but the US still largely followed the Rules on Engagement in combat situations. For example the US pilots could not bombs Vietcong SAMs sites because they were located in rice paddies. This decision did cost the US some planes.

    Besides the US did figure out how to stop the Vietcong in the battlefield(especially the effective bombings with the B-52 that brought the Vietcong to the discussion tables) and their influence towards the latter stages of the war, but the patience of the US people ran out.

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  140. GEagle..i agree with you about chechniya..Yes the Afgans had U.S backing.. i cant remember if they got US missiles ..shoulder launched types..One of the reasons Gorby pulled the russians out was not only the casualty figures but also the sheer cost of sustaining the forces.

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  141. "The Russians did fight the US backed Afghans"

    I'd take the 'US-backed' part with a pinch of salt, GE. The US made a lot of it after the event, but in reality all they did was supply the Stingers. Even the training was done by the Pakis. All the funding was Middle Eastern. And Saudi will be more than happy to continue to fund the Chechens and win some goodwill with AQ.

    "but they did not paint all Afghans with the same broad brush stroke going into the conflict. They had to take the feelings of their Afghan allies(Nagibulla)"

    Their Afghan allies were mostly centred around Kabul and Jalalabad. The rest of the country was more or less a free-fire zone.

    "Many polls show over that 75% of the Russian population would like it of the Chechens move out of Russia to somewhere else. That tells you how most in Russia lack a concience when it comes to Chechens."

    If you look at Russian media from the late '70s and early '80s, you'll find that the Russian populace didn't really care much for the Afghans either. What they DID care about were the conscript soldiers being killed daily. Direct parallels can be drawn to the protests by mothers groups during the Chechen fighting. As soon as the casualties mount, the people get cold feet.

    "BTW the US did not go on an all out rampage in Vietnam as you suggest. Sure there were some massacres commited,"

    I'm not talking about massacres or rampages or other sensationalist phrases. Most of the civilian deaths were through US ineptness rather than on purpose. However, the US largely ignored the rules, or circumvented them. Large areas were declared free-fire zones in which anything could be killed (including elephants & tigers). I have never heard of any rule that prevented the USAF from bombing SAM sites. Where did you hear that?

    "especially the effective bombings with the B-52 that brought the Vietcong to the discussion tables"

    I'm not sure where you're getting your history from, GE, but it was the North Vietnamese that negotiated with the US, not the VC, and while B-52 Arclight strikes caused extensive damage, they also killed hundreds of civilians. For example, the US dropped more bombs on Laos than it did on Germany and Japan combined in WW2. And Laos had no cities to speak of as such.

    But as I said, you've missed the point.

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  142. David

    "I'd take the 'US-backed' part with a pinch of salt, GE. The US made a lot of it after the event, but in reality all they did was supply the Stingers. Even the training was done by the Pakis. All the funding was Middle Eastern."

    The USA provided $200 million annually to Afghanistan and Pakistan(for training Mujahadeen) from 1980-1984. From 1984 onwards Reagan and CIA director William Casey tripled the budget to $600 million per year. Now remember this is 1980's US dollars, and in dirty poor 1980's Afghanistan and Pakistan it went a long long way.

    The Saudis mainly concentrated to building radical madarassas(Zia Ul-Haq approved greatly) in Afghan/Pak border regions to churn out radicals. This gave birth to the first nutjob Taliban generation.
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    "I have never heard of any rule that prevented the USAF from bombing SAM sites. Where did you hear that?"

    Well some retired USAF pilots talked about this issue extensively in a recent documentary. I will try to find the name of that documentary for you.
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    "I'm not sure where you're getting your history from, GE, but it was the North Vietnamese that negotiated with the US, not the VC, and while B-52 Arclight strikes caused extensive damage, they also killed hundreds of civilians."

    It was called the "christmas bombings" and Nixon favored it greatly even though many in congress disapproved it. Marshall L. Michel's book "The Eleven Days of Christmas: America's Last Vietnam Battle" provides the best info on the christmas bombings. U can get get off Amazon if you are interested.
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    "If you look at Russian media from the late '70s and early '80s, you'll find that the Russian populace didn't really care much for the Afghans either."

    Ofcourse the Russians never really cared about the Afghanistan and its people, thats why Nagibulla had to request the Soviets 22 times before they finally sent in 40,000 troops. But the Russians not only don't care about the Chechens but many hate the Chechens with a passion. See the difference between the two cases?
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    Look, my main point is that the Chechens won't be able to do jack sh*t even with the backing AQ other than carry out random acts of terror. Random acts of terror won't bring the Russians to their knees(they are too proud for that), they will demolish what is left of Chechnya. Brute force CAN smash insugent groups even though it may not solve the real cause for the fighting.

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  143. sri lankan

    Yes the Afghan rebels were provided with US stringer missiles. The some spare ones were sold by the Taliban to the LTTE.

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  144. "It was called the "christmas bombings" and Nixon favored it greatly even though many in congress disapproved it."

    The Christmas Bombings were against North Vietnam, GE. The VC were South Vietnamese.

    "Brute force CAN smash insugent groups even though it may not solve the real cause for the fighting."

    Well as I said at the beginning, I feel you're being overly optimistiic. The only way a guerrilla group can be defeated is if they have no safe haven or foreign backing. It's a historical fact. The Chechens have both. History also has proven that most conquored peoples eventually revolt ad infinitum until they are exterminated or succeed.

    "Random acts of terror won't bring the Russians to their knees"

    Exactly why I said Chechnya was a bad example. The Russian/Chechen ratio is too disproportionate in many ways. Even if Chechnya was to utterly defeat the Russians and kick them out of Chechnya, it won't bring Russia to its knees, because Chechnya isn't really significant to Russia except as a matter of pride. However the Sinhalese/Tamil ratio is quite different, and a subjugated Tamil population will forever be revolting. As Julius Caesar said: "A people are not governed who must be perpetually conquored".

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  145. GEagle..Thanks for your input.GEagle do you subscribe to the history channel?.It is really pretty good according to my friends overseas.

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  146. David

    "The Christmas Bombings were against North Vietnam, GE."

    Yeah the christmas bombings were designed for North Vietnam not South Vietnam.
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    "Well as I said at the beginning, I feel you're being overly optimistiic. The only way a guerrilla group can be defeated is if they have no safe haven or foreign backing. It's a historical fact. The Chechens have both. History also has proven that most conquored peoples eventually revolt ad infinitum until they are exterminated or succeed."

    I am not feeling "overly optimistic" I am being realistic. The Chechen rebels were the ones who were overly optimistic and their people and homeland paid the price for it. The advantage of having a safe haven and foreign backing has been neutralized by the ruthless brute force of the Russian army, weapons and tactics. Thats why most of the Chechen rebels scattered to face more humane opponents. Otherwise we would still see heavy fighting Chechyna.

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  147. sri lankan

    The History Channel is good. The best program I have seen on it was the "Declassified" series. Not sure if they show it anymore.

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  148. "The advantage of having a safe haven and foreign backing has been neutralized by the ruthless brute force of the Russian army, weapons and tactics."

    Brute force has never worked against guerrilla groups when they have had foreign safe haven. Never once. If you want to conclude that the Chechen War is over simply because it's been just simmering for a couple of years, that's upto you. Only time will tell, but I prefer not to simply disregard the weight of military history on the strength of a couple of years.

    "Thats why most of the Chechen rebels scattered to face more humane opponents."

    Again, you're jumping to conclusions. Coalition int has indicated that jihadis are using both Afghanistan & Iraq as training grounds to perfect tactics which will then be utilized in their home countries. It's a repeat of what the foreign mujahid did during the Soviet era in Afghanistan. I'm surprised you're opting for such a convenient assumption about the Chechens.

    "Otherwise we would still see heavy fighting Chechyna."

    Again, you don't seem to understand guerrilla taactics. Without a doubt, the Chechen rebels have suffered major setbacks, but the nature of such conflicts is an ebb and flow. Look at any PF war and you see the same pattern. As guerrillas are suppressed in one area they move to others, and the whole Islamic uprising worldwide is in effect a single guerrilla war, and Chechnya is just one area. Others are the Phillipines and Indonesia, where there's little fighting right now. Surely you don't think thaat meaans that those groups have been defeated? You haave to look at the big picture, GE, and over a longer timeline than a couple of years.

    "The History Channel is good."

    It is for broad storylines, but horrible for military detail. I've watched programmes where they showed B-29s bombing Germany, and Heinkels attacking in the Pacific! Lol.

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  149. David

    "Brute force has never worked against guerrilla groups when they have had foreign safe haven. Never once. If you want to conclude that the Chechen War is over simply because it's been just simmering for a couple of years, that's upto you. Only time will tell, but I prefer not to simply disregard the weight of military history on the strength of a couple of years."

    The brute force of the Russian military(especially after Putin came to power) is what took the Chechen war out of the headlines. The war is largely over, the Chechen rebels know. Thats why they are resort to terrorist bombings instead of duking it out the battlefield. The general Chechen population is discouraged with war because they know that they will also bear the brunt of this conflict. They Chechen rebels may be ruthless die hard fanatics, but face an equally ruthless opponent with superior firepower.
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    "Again, you're jumping to conclusions. Coalition int has indicated that jihadis are using both Afghanistan & Iraq as training grounds to perfect tactics which will then be utilized in their home countries. It's a repeat of what the foreign mujahid did during the Soviet era in Afghanistan. I'm surprised you're opting for such a convenient assumption about the Chechens."

    Those tactics they try to perfect may be good against Western armies who still follow the Rules of Engagement, but not the Russian army. The bottomline is that the Russian army does not give a damn about Chechen civilian casaulties.
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    "Again, you don't seem to understand guerrilla taactics. Without a doubt, the Chechen rebels have suffered major setbacks, but the nature of such conflicts is an ebb and flow. Look at any PF war and you see the same pattern. As guerrillas are suppressed in one area they move to others, and the whole Islamic uprising worldwide is in effect a single guerrilla war, and Chechnya is just one area. Others are the Phillipines and Indonesia, where there's little fighting right now. Surely you don't think thaat meaans that those groups have been defeated? You haave to look at the big picture, GE, and over a longer timeline than a couple of years."

    Sure when guerillas are surpressed in one area they move to another. But usually that other place they move to has a more humane or easier enemy. I do see that there is an interlinked islamic guerilla war taking place all over the world, but if the Chechens think that the experience if those battlefields will help them in Chechyna then they are mistaken.
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    "It is for broad storylines, but horrible for military detail. I've watched programmes where they showed B-29s bombing Germany, and Heinkels attacking in the Pacific! Lol."

    Its not called the "military detail" channel for a reason.

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  150. "The brute force of the Russian military(especially after Putin came to power) is what took the Chechen war out of the headlines."

    It has been out of the headlines for a relatively short time, GE, and mostly because Iraq & Afghanistan have grabbed those lines. I find your view very short sighted. You are jumping to a conclusion that ignores all military history in favour of a convenient analysis. You're accepting the most obvious conclusion far too easily. Many many guerrilla movements have been met with far greater brutality and survived.

    "Thats why they are resort to terrorist bombings instead of duking it out the battlefield. "

    Guerrilla movements by nature DON'T duke it out on the battlefield, so this is not indicative of defeat.

    "Those tactics they try to perfect may be good against Western armies who still follow the Rules of Engagement, but not the Russian army."

    I fear you're underestimating the US forces' ability at brutality. But the Russians needed to resort to brutality to counter their inability in fighting the Chechens. The US is less brutal because it is unnecessary. They are much more capable than the Russians, however.

    "Sure when guerillas are surpressed in one area they move to another. But usually that other place they move to has a more humane or easier enemy"

    Exactly why it's too early to announce victory in Chechnya.

    "but if the Chechens think that the experience if those battlefields will help them in Chechyna then they are mistaken"

    Your prediction is not based on any real evidence, GE.

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  151. Davi

    "It has been out of the headlines for a relatively short time, GE, and mostly because Iraq & Afghanistan have grabbed those lines. I find your view very short sighted. You are jumping to a conclusion that ignores all military history in favour of a convenient analysis. You're accepting the most obvious conclusion far too easily. Many many guerrilla movements have been met with far greater brutality and survived."

    It has been out of the headlines for about 6 years. Its not because of the Afghan/Iraq wars that the Chechen conflict slipped out of the headlines or simmered down. It was because the Russian military(under Putin) took a no nonsense approach to crush the Chechens. The Russian media was also pushed out of the front lines to give the Russian military more room to become ruthless.
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    "Guerrilla movements by nature DON'T duke it out on the battlefield, so this is not indicative of defeat."

    Guerrilla movements don't choose OPEN battlefields, they choose enclosed battlefields. In vietnam the main battlefield was the jungle, in Iraq the main battle field are urban centers.
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    "I fear you're underestimating the US forces' ability at brutality. But the Russians needed to resort to brutality to counter their inability in fighting the Chechens. The US is less brutal because it is unnecessary. They are much more capable than the Russians, however."

    I know what the US military is capable of if they threw the Rules of Engagement out the window. The Russians don't have any sort of inability to fight the Chechens like u claim, they just don't give an effort to win the hearts and minds of the Chechen people.
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    "Your prediction is not based on any real evidence, GE."

    It will take time to prove my prediction.

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